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Old Jul 24, 2018 | 8:05 am
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I don't recall ever seeing any reports from the TSA regarding how much faster lines went at the airports using these machines vs. lines using standard x-rays. Can anyone point me in that direction?
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Old Jul 24, 2018 | 9:00 am
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Originally Posted by petaluma1
I don't recall ever seeing any reports from the TSA regarding how much faster lines went at the airports using these machines vs. lines using standard x-rays. Can anyone point me in that direction?
From what I've read, in the trial period, they're enforcing the same rules as the x-ray checkpoint scanners for the CT scanners (all electronics larger than a phone out, 3-1-1 bag out, etc.) - so you aren't going to see much in the way of speed improvements at this point. You might see fewer bags going to secondary in some regards (e.g. people with a lot of electronics, CT scanner will have a clearer image that can be manipulated in 3D) and some more going to secondary now (e.g. more effective imaging and automatic threat detection may allow things like a small bottle of water or small pocketknife missed due to density of current x-ray imaging is easier for operator to see/CT scanner to automatically flag and sent to secondary).

All of the articles I've read about for now for the CT scanner trials refer to potentially faster screening in the potential future tense. It's conditional on TSA getting through the trials, validating the reliability/ease of use/effectiveness of the CT scanners, and then making rule changes for lanes with them (laptops & other electronics, LGAs stay in bags). Until that point, CT scanners will be marginally faster.

Per the CBS article I linked to already:

Originally Posted by CBS
The TSA tested the scanners in Phoenix and Boston, and have found them to speed up the screening process by reducing the need for secondary bag checks.
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Old Jul 24, 2018 | 12:14 pm
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Originally Posted by phltraveler
From what I've read, in the trial period, they're enforcing the same rules as the x-ray checkpoint scanners for the CT scanners (all electronics larger than a phone out, 3-1-1 bag out, etc.) - so you aren't going to see much in the way of speed improvements at this point. You might see fewer bags going to secondary in some regards (e.g. people with a lot of electronics, CT scanner will have a clearer image that can be manipulated in 3D) and some more going to secondary now (e.g. more effective imaging and automatic threat detection may allow things like a small bottle of water or small pocketknife missed due to density of current x-ray imaging is easier for operator to see/CT scanner to automatically flag and sent to secondary).

All of the articles I've read about for now for the CT scanner trials refer to potentially faster screening in the potential future tense. It's conditional on TSA getting through the trials, validating the reliability/ease of use/effectiveness of the CT scanners, and then making rule changes for lanes with them (laptops & other electronics, LGAs stay in bags). Until that point, CT scanners will be marginally faster.

Per the CBS article I linked to already:
Originally Posted by CBS
The TSA tested the scanners in Phoenix and Boston, and have found them to speed up the screening process by reducing the need for secondary bag checks.
I don't trust what TSA says. You'll recall that a former spokesperson has said that dangerous items are found daily during whole body "pat downs" but that claim has never been supported with any data. When I see stats, I'll believe it.
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Old Jul 25, 2018 | 11:58 am
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One piece of technology which we won't buy but hope is adapted

https://arstechnica.com/information-...e-years-or-so/


TSA says in 5 years, CT scanners may be common in security lines at airports.

Of course that's the bigger US airports.

Internationally?
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Old Jul 25, 2018 | 1:52 pm
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I haven't removed liquids or electronics from a bag in at least 2 years, if not longer.

I was hoping that in 5 years we'd be to the next generation scanning via walk-through tunnels. Biometric ID (being put in place in Dubai today) and metal/explosive/etc. scanners that activate as you walk past.




Keep in mind that this was introduced in 2011 and, at that time, also "could be rolled out at major airports within five years".
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Old Jul 25, 2018 | 2:50 pm
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On trial at Heathrow and Schipol according to the guardian

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Old Jul 26, 2018 | 9:08 am
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It's not going to be effective at finding drugs. I doubt it will be used much in the US.
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Old Jul 26, 2018 | 10:44 am
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Unless the companies make a lot of political donations or kickbacks for TSA procurement administrators.

That would be how you get the government to buy $300k machines.
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Old Jul 26, 2018 | 5:02 pm
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Originally Posted by wco81
Unless the companies make a lot of political donations or kickbacks for TSA procurement administrators.

That would be how you get the government to buy $300k machines.
Not to mention that it might significantly cut into the revenue stream that is TSA PreCheck.
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Old Jul 26, 2018 | 10:18 pm
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As this general subject is often discussed in the Checkpoint forum, we'll move the thread over there...

https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/chec...cy-debate-687/
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Old Jul 26, 2018 | 10:40 pm
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Originally Posted by Moderator2
As this general subject is often discussed in the Checkpoint forum, we'll move the thread over there...
Where it have been merged into the relevant thread.

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Old Aug 1, 2018 | 3:53 pm
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TSA will install 40 luggage CT scanners in airports this year

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But now, the agency has shared its plans for CT technology going forward, including expansions into additional airports. American Airlines announced earlier this month that a CT scanner was being set up in New York's JFK airport and the TSA says Baltimore-Washington International Airport, Chicago O'Hare International Airport, Los Angeles International Airport and Washington-Dulles International Airport are among those that will have CT scanners in the near future.

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By the end of the year, the TSA plans to have up to 40 scanners placed in various airports and by the end of fiscal year 2019, it aims to have 145 machines deployed. Sixteen CT scanners will also be placed in federal testing facilities by the end of 2018. Along with the airports listed above, Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport, Houston Hobby Airport, Indianapolis International Airport, McCarran International Airport, Oakland International Airport, Philadelphia International Airport, San Diego International Airport and St. Louis Lambert International Airport will receive the remainder of the first 15 units.

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Old Aug 1, 2018 | 4:31 pm
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I wonder why DCA isn't on the list (in addition to Dulles) because Congress and administration officials fly out of there frequently. Perhaps the TSA is afraid they won't work or will cause delays?
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Old Aug 1, 2018 | 6:15 pm
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I didn't see DFW listed which is one of the countries major hubs.
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Old Aug 2, 2018 | 7:03 am
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Originally Posted by FliesWay2Much
I wonder why DCA isn't on the list (in addition to Dulles) because Congress and administration officials fly out of there frequently. Perhaps the TSA is afraid they won't work or will cause delays?
Dulles is on the list you quoted, in the earlier paragraph.

I've never cleared security at DCA (only transited it as a connection point on US Airways) but given how tight the airport is on the sterile side, spacing might be a concern.

Between that and budget ([article on that]), TSA has budget for 15 scanners in 2018 and 240 scanners in 2020, with about 2,000 scanners throughout the US at TSA checkpoints. They will probably focus on certain lanes at the category X airports and the Pre lanes at some more regional airports - but that's just a guess, they could have different deployment priorities (like covering all lanes at category X airports, or putting them in the non-Pre lanes to try to apply a stricter/better screening standard to the passengers that are not trusted travelers).
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