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Old Jun 10, 2009 | 3:04 am
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Air France Crew Warned - Should I Worry?

The union for Air France crews has warned them to to fly the Airbus 330 because of safety reasons. I'm due to fly this aircraft later in the summer and it brings terror to my soul. I'm sure it's a silly thing to worry about... or is it?

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Old Jun 10, 2009 | 3:13 am
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The union exists for no other purpose than to protect its members. Call me cynical, but I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if this is being seized upon as a bargaining chip to influence heretofore-unseen negotiations of some sort or another.

The government regulatory bodies, however, exist to protect your life and believe me, if these planes were in any way dangerous, there is no way they would ever be allowed to take to the sky. Don't forget - there are several dozen A330s in the air at this very minute and none of them are having problems.
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Old Jun 10, 2009 | 3:46 am
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The A330 has an outstanding safety track record. As of March 2009, 600 A330s have been built (Wikipedia), as of now only 5 hulls have been lost (Aviation Safety). 2 hulls have been lost due to terrorism, 1 due to wrong declaration of dangerous cargo and 1 due to pilot error.

I would fly the A330 any time and with (almost) any airline. There is hardly any airplane around with a higher safety record.

More of concern is the usage of the airline. Which airline are you flying?
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Old Jun 10, 2009 | 6:13 am
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There is absolutely nothing to worry about with the A330 or for that matter any airplane made by Airbus Industrie
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Old Jun 10, 2009 | 6:59 am
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Even on it's worst day the A330 is safer than driving to the airport.

Most accidental deaths happen within 50mi of home. So move.
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Old Jun 10, 2009 | 7:39 am
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Originally Posted by Scrooge McDuck
as of now only 5 hulls have been lost (Aviation Safety). 2 hulls have been lost due to terrorism, 1 due to wrong declaration of dangerous cargo and 1 due to pilot error.
Even that's misleadingly high. The two due to terrorism were empty on the ground. The 1 due to pilot error was a test flight, with no paying passengers. The other one was damaged on the ground with nobody hurt (chemical spill). The only passenger fatalities on the A330 in it's entire history was the one this month.
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Old Jun 10, 2009 | 8:00 am
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The government regulatory bodies, however, exist to protect your life
Don't have an opinion on the rest of your reply, but this comment made me with a little

I only wish it were true...
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There's some folks questioning the use of carbon composites used in control surfaces and susceptibility to damage caused by lightning strikes. This isn't an issue on older, all metal construction. Right now this is just a bunch of folks talking since the flight recorders haven't been recovered.
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Old Jun 10, 2009 | 8:55 am
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The union exists for no other purpose than to protect its members. Call me cynical, but I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if this is being seized upon as a bargaining chip to influence heretofore-unseen negotiations of some sort or another.
"We believe that the A330 is a risk to our membership. Pay them another Euro per hour and hire another 500 workers and it will not be a risk."

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Old Jun 10, 2009 | 9:00 am
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Do not worry about the A330, worry about the drive to the airport & being hit by some drunk idiot.
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There's some folks questioning the use of carbon composites used in control surfaces and susceptibility to damage caused by lightning strikes. This isn't an issue on older, all metal construction. Right now this is just a bunch of folks talking since the flight recorders haven't been recovered.
Who is saying that? The FAA, NTSB, trade journals such as Aviation Week?
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Old Jun 10, 2009 | 11:50 am
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Who is saying that? The FAA, NTSB, trade journals such as Aviation Week?
Just did a google search on the phrase carbon composites lightning strike and went from there. Lots of comments ranging from the educated, well thought out to the raving lunatic. Got to pick and choose. The science behind it is interesting though.

This was a good starting place.

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Theres no shortage of armchair aerospace engineers posting away on teh interwebz, but the news media have also been guilty of sensationalizing the facts. There are self-appointed experts trotted in by the talking heads that have no idea what theyre talking about. Mary Schiavo is a perfect example; the only thing she should be allowed to say in a microphone is Thank you, that will be $5.39, please pull around to the first window.

As an aside, it appears that from forensic meteorological data lightning may not have been a strong factor.
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Old Jun 10, 2009 | 12:57 pm
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Originally Posted by N965VJ
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Theres no shortage of armchair aerospace engineers posting away on teh interwebz, but the news media have also been guilty of sensationalizing the facts. There are self-appointed experts trotted in by the talking heads that have no idea what theyre talking about. Mary Schiavo is a perfect example; the only thing she should be allowed to say in a microphone is Thank you, that will be $5.39, please pull around to the first window.

As an aside, it appears that from forensic meteorological data lightning may not have been a strong factor.
Adopting a wait and see posture.

Right now it is all conjecture. Even if we do the the flight recorders, it will take some time to figure out what went wrong on that flight.
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Old Jun 11, 2009 | 3:09 am
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There is a vivid thread in the Air France forum covering all possible discussions about possible causes for the crash.
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