ICOM handheld radio scanners not allowed past TSA security checkpoint, had to check
Apr 16, 2009 | 2:00 pm
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Craig, I am a member of the ARRL. They might be interested in this, they might not. HAMs know that thier equipment (trancievers) cannot be used on an aircraft without the captains permission. Laws prohibit it. Scanners do not transmit, so they should be allowed as long as the air crew allows it. TSA has nothing to do with these decisions.
Now, I dont know why this individuals scanner was not allowed. Again I say it is most likely we dont have the whole story, and therefore cannot honestly comment on the actions of the TSO.
Now, I dont know why this individuals scanner was not allowed. Again I say it is most likely we dont have the whole story, and therefore cannot honestly comment on the actions of the TSO.
Also the question posed in Post #8 is still out there for you.
Roy2CDG, what airport and terminal did this incident happen?
Apr 16, 2009 | 2:15 pm
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Seems like just another instance of TSA abuse of constitutional rights in the name of non-existent security.
TSO: "Do you want to fly today?"
Me: "Do you want to work tomorrow? Please call the GSC for United. By the way, did I mention that I'm a lawyer?"
Apr 16, 2009 | 2:22 pm
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Please tell me what airport authority, or local or state legislature, has forbidden possession of any kind of otherwise legal radio. This is a First Amendment issue, as well as a federal preemption issue. For that matter, since when is it within TSA's brief to enforce municipal and state laws? TSA has only federal, and not state or local, jurisdiction.
Seems like just another instance of TSA abuse of constitutional rights in the name of non-existent security.
Seems like just another instance of TSA abuse of constitutional rights in the name of non-existent security.
Apr 16, 2009 | 2:22 pm
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Try again.
Apr 16, 2009 | 2:23 pm
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What other facts would help support what the TSA did? On more than one occasion I have had TSO's not permit (and one time actually confiscate) knives that are the exact same as what are used in the airline club and in first class. Can you think of the reasoning behind that? What other facts would you like to know for those instances?
Also the question posed in Post #8 is still out there for you.
Roy2CDG, what airport and terminal did this incident happen?
Also the question posed in Post #8 is still out there for you.
Roy2CDG, what airport and terminal did this incident happen?
As for #8, nope, cant think of a one. That does not mean that they do not exist. Airport authorities can legally enact code for their areas of control, but I dont work on that end of the business so I dont have much in the way of facts about it.
Apr 16, 2009 | 2:27 pm
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FYI, the only type of knife we are knowingly going to allow through the checkpoint is a plastic one. Size is not a matter, half inch to sword size, it will not get into the sterile area. As for reasoning, how long were the blades on the box cutters used by the 9/11 terrorists?
Apr 16, 2009 | 2:32 pm
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3.4 oz of juice isn't going to do much for a diabetic who may be going into insulin shock. Saying "diabetics can't fly" is a violation of the American's with Disability Act. Not telling a diabetic with certainty how they can fly without putting their life at risk is saying they can't fly.
Try again.
Try again.
I answer questions based on the information provided. If you fail to provide all the information then you get the answer you deserve.
I again offer the following answer, you don’t like it but that’s life:
100% certain. Hmmm, don’t fly. Nothing in life is certain Rich, so there is no possibility of reaching that 100% you require. Sorry, facts is facts. But the best way to make it happen is to not bring a container larger than 3.4 ounces.
Apr 16, 2009 | 2:33 pm
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I deal with the checkpoint, try and bring it into the sterile area through the checkpoint and I will do my best to stop it. Get it? Got it? I doubt it.
Apr 16, 2009 | 2:37 pm
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Why bother? What's the point of preventing a knife from getting through the checkpoint if knives are readily available in the sterile area?
Apr 16, 2009 | 2:38 pm
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Craig, I am a member of the ARRL. They might be interested in this, they might not. HAMs know that thier equipment (trancievers) cannot be used on an aircraft without the captains permission. Laws prohibit it. Scanners do not transmit, so they should be allowed as long as the air crew allows it. TSA has nothing to do with these decisions.
Now, I dont know why this individuals scanner was not allowed. Again I say it is most likely we dont have the whole story, and therefore cannot honestly comment on the actions of the TSO.
Now, I dont know why this individuals scanner was not allowed. Again I say it is most likely we dont have the whole story, and therefore cannot honestly comment on the actions of the TSO.
However, there is no prohibition by the airlines regarding the possession of scanners or portable TVs. The TSA should not be attempting to enforce non-existent bans of such items.
Apr 16, 2009 | 2:41 pm
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Originally Posted by TSORon
FYI, the only type of knife we are knowingly going to allow through the checkpoint is a plastic one. Size is not a matter, half inch to sword size, it will not get into the sterile area. As for reasoning, how long were the blades on the box cutters used by the 9/11 terrorists?
Apr 16, 2009 | 2:49 pm
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I am TSA
I am the frontline of defense, drawing on my imagination to creatively protect America from harm. I am a Transportation Security Officer.
I am the frontline of defense, drawing on my imagination to creatively protect America from harm. I am a Transportation Security Officer.
Great. Just what we need. People drawing on their fertile imagination in a laughable attempt "to creatively protect America from harm." I laughed out loud typing that. What nonsense.
Apr 16, 2009 | 3:07 pm
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He won't respond because, apparently, he doesn't know the answer. What is disturbing is that he is, nonetheless, defending the TSO in question.
Apr 16, 2009 | 3:08 pm
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3.4 oz of juice isn't going to do much for a diabetic who may be going into insulin shock. Saying "diabetics can't fly" is a violation of the American's with Disability Act. Not telling a diabetic with certainty how they can fly without putting their life at risk is saying they can't fly.
Apr 16, 2009 | 3:10 pm
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Talk about outing oneself on the internet
Slightly off subject
And in a discussion of security to boot.
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Please be careful what one posts on the internet such as an identifier that leads one to things such as addresses and real names.
And in a discussion of security to boot.
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Please be careful what one posts on the internet such as an identifier that leads one to things such as addresses and real names.
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