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SK989 Mar 14, 2007 12:18 pm

Would this RTW interary work?
 
ARN-CPH on SKXXX (stop)
CPH-SIN on SQ351 (stop)
SIN-EWR on SQ022 (stop)
EWR-ARN on SK904

The minimum of stops allowed on a *A RTW is three, so that should be OK, but one is supposed to fly one transantlantic flight and one flight across the Pacific - two transantlantic flights are not allowed. Now my question:

Is SQ022 SIN-EWR (which is a nonstop flight) considered a transantlantic flight or a flight across the Pacific?

kjsaw Mar 14, 2007 1:08 pm


Originally Posted by SK989 (Post 7401866)
ARN-CPH on SKXXX (stop)
CPH-SIN on SQ351 (stop)
SIN-EWR on SQ022 (stop)
EWR-ARN on SK904

The minimum of stops allowed on a *A RTW is three, so that should be OK, but one is supposed to fly one transantlantic flight and one flight across the Pacific - two transantlantic flights are not allowed. Now my question:

Is SQ022 SIN-EWR (which is a nonstop flight) considered a transantlantic flight or a flight across the Pacific?

If you go

ARN-CPH-SIN-EWR-ORD-ARN

you will get a valid itin on the mileage calculator. It seems you need greater then thre and less then 15 stops. You can ignore the dates below, but remember you need to be gone for at least 10 days


Routing:
ARN-CPH-SIN-EWR-ORD-ARN

Details:

Leg 1
From/To: Stockholm Arlanda SE (ARN) - Copenhagen DK (CPH)
Departure Date: March 28, 2007
Flight No: SK 1415
Departure Time: 6:20
Arrival Time: 7:35

Leg 2
From/To: Copenhagen DK (CPH) - Singapore Changi SG (SIN)
Departure Date: March 29, 2007
Flight No: SQ 351
Departure Time: 11:20
Arrival Time: 5:30

Leg 3
From/To: Singapore Changi SG (SIN) - Newark NJ US (EWR)
Departure Date: March 30, 2007
Flight No: SQ 22
Departure Time: 10:50
Arrival Time: 17:50

Leg 4
From/To: Newark NJ US (EWR) - Chicago O'Hare IL US (ORD)
Departure Date: April 18, 2007
Flight No: UA 635
Departure Time: 6:00
Arrival Time: 7:24

Leg 5
From/To: Chicago O'Hare IL US (ORD) - Stockholm Arlanda SE (ARN)
Departure Date: April 20, 2007
Flight No: SK 946
Departure Time: 16:25
Arrival Time: 7:45

oliver2002 Mar 14, 2007 1:35 pm


Originally Posted by SK989 (Post 7401866)

Is SQ022 SIN-EWR (which is a nonstop flight) considered a transantlantic flight or a flight across the Pacific?

SQ 22 is transpac according to RTW rules. Look at the *A forum for details.

henry999 Mar 14, 2007 1:43 pm


Originally Posted by SK989 (Post 7401866)
Is SQ022 SIN-EWR (which is a nonstop flight) considered a transantlantic flight or a flight across the Pacific?

You might want to d/l the *A RTW rules, for example here:

http://www.airnewzealand.co.nz/resou...tw_25jan07.pdf

where you will find it clearly stated that SQ's n-s SIN-EWR is considered trans-Pac. You will also find that there is a surcharge of US$700 added to a C class RTW for that flight, or US$100 for Y class. But since this is at the moment the longest scheduled commercial flight in operation, anyone who would choose to do it in Y must be daft.

cheers,

Henry

tommy777 Mar 14, 2007 4:26 pm

this is a valid routing

SK989 Mar 15, 2007 8:24 am

Thanks for all the replies. I doublechecked about the minimum amount of stops and the rules on sas.se state that it's three:

"Resan måste börja och sluta i samma land och du ska flyga över både Atlanten och Stilla Havet (max en gång per hav). Du kan göra uppehåll i 3-15 städer, dock med max tre stopp i varje enskilt land (undantag USA med max fem stopp). Dessutom kan du endast göra ett stopp i en och samma stad, du kan dock mellanlanda upp till tre gånger i samma stad. Du måste utnyttja alla biljettens kuponger och i den ordning de är utskrivna."

Interesting info from henry999 that you need to pay a 700$ surcharge for the SIN-EWR flight in C (or 100 US$ in M). Maybe it's an idea to fly SIN-BKK-NYC on TG or SIN-NRT-NYC on NH instead, to avoid the surcharge on flight SQ022.

henry999 Mar 15, 2007 8:36 am


Originally Posted by SK989 (Post 7407160)
Maybe it's an idea to fly SIN-BKK-NYC on TG ... to avoid the surcharge on flight SQ022.

TG also has a surcharge -- US$500 in C and US$300 in Y -- on the n-s BKK-NYC flight.

cheers,

Henry

THD Mar 15, 2007 8:39 am


Originally Posted by SK989 (Post 7407160)
Interesting info from henry999 that you need to pay a 700$ surcharge for the SIN-EWR flight in C (or 100 US$ in M). Maybe it's an idea to fly SIN-BKK-NYC on TG or SIN-NRT-NYC on NH instead, to avoid the surcharge on flight SQ022.

Don't forget that while an extra stop is no problem in terms of the fare, there are additional taxes to take into account and the additional time of an extra stopover. If you are flying in Y it might be worth paying the surcharge. You get a bit more room with SQ on SQ22 as well, if you can stand 18 hours in a tin can.

cph_flyer Mar 16, 2007 2:38 am

Make sure you don´t waste too many miles ! On a Star 1 you´ll have 29.000 miles to burn. If you start your RTW from CPH instead of ARN, your RTW ticket will still be left open for a nice trip within Europe , after you´ve done your last intercontinental EWR-ARN.

THD Mar 16, 2007 9:27 am


Originally Posted by cph_flyer (Post 7413162)
Make sure you don´t waste too many miles ! On a Star 1 you´ll have 29.000 miles to burn. If you start your RTW from CPH instead of ARN, your RTW ticket will still be left open for a nice trip within Europe , after you´ve done your last intercontinental EWR-ARN.

Don't RTWs have to start and finish in the same country?

cph_flyer Mar 16, 2007 10:51 am


Originally Posted by THD (Post 7414497)
Don't RTWs have to start and finish in the same country?

Yes, and thats the point.Supposing he starts out his RTW from CPH , when the final transatlantic leg from EWR to ARN is done , the ticket will still be left open for travel within Europe. Depending on the left over miles , he could then do say ARN-TFS (stop)-CPH (RTW complete), at a later time. Of course he would have to buy separate tickets between CPH and ARN, but it should be fairly easy to find el cheapo fares .

tommy777 Mar 16, 2007 3:23 pm


Originally Posted by cph_flyer (Post 7414991)
Yes, and thats the point.Supposing he starts out his RTW from CPH , when the final transatlantic leg from EWR to ARN is done , the ticket will still be left open for travel within Europe. Depending on the left over miles , he could then do say ARN-TFS (stop)-CPH (RTW complete), at a later time. Of course he would have to buy separate tickets between CPH and ARN, but it should be fairly easy to find el cheapo fares .

Yeah, this is good advice. There should be plenty of miles to spare here

gnaget Mar 16, 2007 6:42 pm

Or you could start from Vasteras (VST), which has a daily flight VST-CPH. But they probably consider that a STO co-terminal.......

There is actually some special rule for RTW about Sweden and DK treated as one country. I think that you could end your RTW in CPH, for example, if you are short on miles. It's been a while since my Egypt RTW days.:(

henry999 Mar 17, 2007 4:03 am


Originally Posted by gnaget (Post 7417884)
There is actually some special rule for RTW about Sweden and DK treated as one country.(

Not any more. There used to be a rule that the three Scandinavian countries were considered as 'one' for RTW purposes, but that was repealed about two years ago.

cheers,

Henry

Pteropous Mar 17, 2007 4:25 am

The RTW has to start and end in same country, not necessarily same city, and you cannot return to the country of origin before ending the whole trip, so Västerås woudn't work for the extra European roundtrip. Of course the OP could instead start in Sweden, fly EWR-CPH, buy separete tickets CPH-ARN-CPH, do the extra trip and return to Sweden, but that might be less convenient.

It seems there are quite a few miles left. Eg CPH-SIN-TYO-NYC-ORD-ARN is 21,240 miles, leaving 7700 miles (or even with StarLite 2700 miles). With 7700 one gets far further than Europe: for example CPH-DXB-ZRH-ARN would be only 6900 miles (and Middle-East is in same zone with Europe, so this should be allowed).


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