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rob_flies_ua Aug 11, 2009 10:41 am

Maintenance workers (and other service employees) approve new contract, station agents and train operators reject it: http://bart.gov/news/articles/2009/news20090811.aspx

tjl Aug 11, 2009 7:40 pm

More:

http://www.insidebayarea.com/search/ci_13037270

Basically, if management and one of the unions follow through on what they say they will do, a strike is likely.

tom911 Aug 13, 2009 11:28 am

Contract Showdown Looming With BART Union
 

OAKLAND, Calif. -- Talks with the only BART labor union not to approve a new contract have reached an impasse, elevating the chances of strike against the Bay Area transit agency.

BART chief spokesman Linton Johnson said management ended its talks with leaders of Amalgamated Transit Union Local 1555, which represents about 900 train operators, station agents and power workers, at 9:45 p.m. Wednesday night after the union rejected BART's "last, best and final" contract offer.

BART’s Board Of Directors has scheduled an emergency meeting for 11 a.m. and will consider imposing contract terms unilaterally on the union.

ATU chapter president Jesse Hunt said that if the board adopts terms and conditions, "that would certainly precipitate a work action, but we're doing everything we can to avoid that."
http://www.ktvu.com/news/20351013/de...108132009&ts=H

Boraxo Aug 13, 2009 12:11 pm

At the risk of being "omni-ized" I note the average BART union worker makes $114,000 per year in wages and benefits. Given the current economic situation, there will be no shortage of replacement worker applicants if the union strikes.

makfan Aug 14, 2009 8:48 am


Originally Posted by Boraxo (Post 12073887)
This is really not going to affect most tourists, particularly if you plan to stay within the city of SF or rent a vehicle for travel outside the city. The only major downside will be lack of public transit to OAK and SFO airports. In the case of SFO, you can get a pretty cheap supershuttle and cabs are @ $40 to downtown, so for a family of 4 you won't lose sleep. OAK is a bit more pricey from the city.

Agreed. Commuters will be most affected, followed by people like me who make 2 or 3 roundtrip flights a month solo. I'll now be paying $80 for a taxi rather than $16 for BART. I haven't used a shuttle in years (I hate not having control over my departure time), so I don't know what that costs.

For a family of four, BART is up to $64 to downtown, so a taxi is only a little more and may save time. Of course, that assumes you can find a taxi.

tom911 Aug 14, 2009 10:17 am


Originally Posted by makfan (Post 12225417)
I'll now be paying $80 for a taxi rather than $16 for BART.

For that price, you might as well park at SMA with a coupon for $7 a day. That would cover 10 days plus tax. Some here even park at BART for $6 a day in the west Bay..

makfan Aug 14, 2009 10:18 am


Originally Posted by tom911 (Post 12225869)
For that price, you might as well park at SMA with a coupon for $7 a day. That would cover 10 days plus tax. Some here even park at BART for $6 a day in the west Bay..

I would do just that, but I don't have a car. I hope I can bum a ride at least once or twice until this is settled to save some $$.

Palal Aug 14, 2009 3:49 pm


Originally Posted by Boraxo (Post 12220897)
At the risk of being "omni-ized" I note the average BART union worker makes $114,000 per year in wages and benefits. Given the current economic situation, there will be no shortage of replacement worker applicants if the union strikes.

Most people agree with you.

Eastbay1K Aug 14, 2009 4:30 pm


Originally Posted by Palal (Post 12227425)
Most people agree with you.

Training them and getting things up to speed unfortunately would take quite awhile. Well, at least they don't have to train station agents to make change and sell tickets. :eek:

RichardInSF Aug 15, 2009 10:53 am

As of right now, Saturday morning, the strike is still back on starting with the beginning of service on Monday (August 17) due to the train operators/station agent union voting down the contract. Could still change....but not looking great.

Edited to add: SAMtrans has announced that the KX bus will add stops so it can be taken to/from SFO and Millbrae BART where you can connect to Caltrain to and from San Francisco. Might well be darn crowded though!

balderdash Aug 15, 2009 7:37 pm

I don't think it'll last that long, but man, can you imagine what this would be like if it lasts until Labor Day weekend when the bay bridge is scheduled to be closed again?

rob_flies_ua Aug 16, 2009 12:11 pm


Originally Posted by RichardInSF (Post 12230365)
Edited to add: SAMtrans has announced that the KX bus will add stops so it can be taken to/from SFO and Millbrae BART where you can connect to Caltrain to and from San Francisco. Might well be darn crowded though!

Do you have any idea if they've dropped the no-luggage restriction on the KX bus during the strike? Checked Samtrans' webpage, but didn't see any info on that detail.

Antipode Aug 16, 2009 4:47 pm


Originally Posted by Boraxo (Post 12220897)
At the risk of being "omni-ized" I note the average BART union worker makes $114,000 per year in wages and benefits. Given the current economic situation, there will be no shortage of replacement worker applicants if the union strikes.

I think the information missing here is that the vast majority of these people are engineers and other highly-skilled laborers who could make more working comparable jobs in private industry.

Not saying that it's still not a lot of money, but these aren't your run-of-the-mill train operators and station agents that are easy to replace.

mlshanks Aug 16, 2009 6:11 pm


Originally Posted by Antipode (Post 12235085)
I think the information missing here is that the vast majority of these people are engineers and other highly-skilled laborers who could make more working comparable jobs in private industry.

Ordinary railroad engineers don't make anything like $114,000 a year...

According to Salary.com. the median pay rate for a locomotive engineer is about $61,000 a year. And working for major railroads in this position means that unless you have incredible seniority, you are "on call," NOT scheduled for primarily shift work like the BART employees.

I'd guess that if they offered the current contract to the Brotherhood of Locomotive Engineers and Trainmen, (instead of the Amalgamated Transit Union who currently has the contract) Union Pacific and BNSF would have to scramble to keep freight trains in the Bay area running...because it's a MUCH better deal than "real" train crews get. Moreover, much more of the operations of trains is remotely automated than the typical freight or passenger train. BART was origianlly designed for entirely remote operation, with the "engineer" handling little more than door open-close and "clear to next signal."

rob_flies_ua Aug 16, 2009 8:08 pm

And now according to http://www.bart.gov/news/articles/20...s20090815.aspx they won't be striking tomorrow...but who knows about the rest of the week...


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