Dang! I guess we will just have to take a grayhound!:)

However, rememeber that it can't be that of remote airport, as it would still have to be able to handle a large aircraft (767,A330, or A360: I dont know which one they will use) and the airport must have full customs and Border Protection facilities.

MWH
 

Fly it into MWH... miles away from... anything :eek:

The only EAS Scheduled air service was discontinued... perfect for running buses (however Greyhound does have a stop)

Customs and such yes, but PrivatAir for one flies a 737 TATL.

Not sure if it would make sense economically, but it's certainly doable.

EmailKid

I remember when this was first punted in the media a couple of years ago it was suggested that their NYC airport would be Islip MacArthur Airport and for Boston it would be Providence Airport.

As full USA pre clearance customs and immigration facilities will be in Ireland from next year the obstacles are less than at present.

What are the Benefits of Pre-Clearance?

For passengers the benefits are:

It will save time and potentially save money.

• Shannon and Dublin are the only European airports that will have full pre clearance facilities on offer to passengers.

• The U.S. currently has no plans to introduce pre-clearance elsewhere in Europe.

• Once the new pre-clearance facilities are in place US bound passengers out of Shannon and Dublin airports will have uninterrupted passage through US airports on arrival.

• All customs, US immigration and agriculture clearance will now be completed before passengers leave Ireland. (Currently only US immigration clearance facilities are available at both airports).

• This will save time and hassle.

• Flights from Shannon and Dublin airports will be treated like domestic flights in the US. Passengers will have no need to undergo further time consuming checks in any US airport (unlike passengers arriving in the US from any other European state).

• Passengers will now be able to check their baggage through from Shannon and Dublin to their final destination in the US even if this involves two flights with different airlines. (Up to now Irish passengers connecting in the US have had to collect their baggage, clear customs and then recheck their luggage onto their connecting flight in the US.)

• Domestic airports are generally cheaper for airlines to use and this should be reflected in the ticket price – meaning potentially cheaper flights for customers.

• Domestic airports/terminals are in general less congested than international airports/terminals and thus offer a more pleasant travelling experience for passengers.


For airlines the benefits are:

Faster aircraft turnaround and that will save them money.

• Transatlantic Airlines using Shannon and Dublin will now be able to fly into less congested and less expensive domestic terminals on arrival at U.S airports. This should lead to easier access to aircraft stands thereby minimising the time between touchdown and passengers existing the aircraft.

• Airlines will now also be able to offer passengers easily accessible onward connections (passengers will appreciate being able to check their bags through to their final destination).




For Shannon Airport and the Mid West Region the benefits are:

• Shannon will be the first airport in Ireland to offer full pre clearance facilities. This will give the airport authority a unique selling point in its marketing campaigns to attract new airlines to service the airport.

• The introduction of pre-clearance will be particularly useful in the efforts of Shannon Airport to retain and promote transatlantic services.

Note: Already British Airways has announced that it is considering a business class only service from London City Airport to the U.S. with a stopover at Shannon, precisely for the purpose of taking advantage of the pre-clearance services there when these are operational. Other airlines may well follow the BA example and similarly route U.S. bound flights through Shannon.
• Pre-clearance will provide the opportunity to promote the Mid West region for high worth tourism from the U.S. with the strong selling point that on the return leg all U.S. clearance requirements would be dealt with before departure (i.e. no queues in US airports if you depart from Shannon or Dublin).

• Pre-clearance has the potential to open up other economic benefits for the Shannon region particularly for firms dependent on the US market.

Private aircraft

• Pre-clearance is also being introduced at Shannon for private U.S. bound aircraft. Again Shannon will be the only airport in Europe to offer this service to private aircraft owners.


• Similar to the interest shown by commercial aviation Shannon can expect a significant increase in private aircraft routing through Shannon to take advantage of pre-clearance.

For Dublin Airport the benefits are:

• For the same reasons as Shannon, there is likely to be a very significant positive benefit for Dublin Airport and the surrounding region when pre-clearance is introduced there in conjunction with the opening of the second terminal in 2010.

• Closer to that date we can expect the sort of interest, currently being experienced by Shannon from airlines wishing to use Dublin as a hub for pre-clearance purposes.

BA is considering it because the flight from LCY will have a minimal fuel load and hence has to refuel - that they can do pre-clearance is a bonus - and of course they can pick up more passengers

Welcome to FT, collettex21 - but your post (a cut-and-paste from some official publication, I presume?) doesn't seem all that relevant to this thread. This is about Ryanair - an airline which doesn't do things like connections and baggage interlining. And "easier access to aircraft stands" is of no relevance to Ryanair either because Ryanair doesn't believe in using aircraft stands.

I suspect collettex21 is rebutting bsb21's post that any Ryanair destination airport would need to feature customs and immigration staffing - collettex21seems to be pointing out that with the Irish pre-clearance Ryanair could land pretty much anywhere, like flights from Canada do now.

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I do believe RyanAir will use "Alternative" airports for TATL service. The post explaning Irish per-clearance was exellent and will play into RyanAir's plans. However, neither Islip or Providence have runways long enough to handle fully loaded TATL aircraft. MHT or Portsmouth NH could be used for Boston and Stewart would be the closest "alternative" for NYC.

Ryan Air is an Irish airline with a large presence at DUB.

The only pre clearance facilities in Europe will be in Ireland.

It does not therefore take a whole lot of working out to see the obvious cost advantage Ryan Air potentially has in being able to easily land in smaller US airports, rather than being restricted to present Port of Entry Hubs.

The cut and paste was to provide information for those readers who may not be aware of what pre clearance facilities are, such people may just exist.

As Ryan Airs chairman has voiced an explicit intention to explore the viability of TATL flights it is reasonable to assume he finds these sorts of things to be fairy relevant and as alluded to by previous posters smaller airports are the default choice for Ryan Air.

Sorry if you found it irrelevant. :confused:

Aren't the PrivatAir 737's stripped down to about 50 Biz class seats? You have fewer pax and fewer bags than a standard 737.

I doubt that a fully-loaded 737 would have the range, unless you had a stopover in Gander or something.

So as you implied, it might not make sense economically (i.e. it probably wouldn't fit RyanAir's model to fly half-full 737's TATL). Whether they would consider a tech stop...I don't know.

First class is going to be luxurious and expensive.

I could have sworn CO was flying full-pax 737s to places like SNN, BRS & LIS in the not-to-distant past.

You're probably thinking of their 757s?