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mlm Jul 5, 2003 11:29 am

Quantas Upgrade Cert. needed
 
If you have any upgrade certificates that would be good for flights originating from LAX please email me at [email protected].

I have lots to trade you for from hotel rooms to Broadway show tickets, whatever. Thanks!

virtualtroy Jul 5, 2003 11:33 am

QF doesn't do UG certificates like AA. QF FF's are awarded status credits, which are non-transferable other than to spouses, de facto partners or immediate family.

mlm Jul 5, 2003 2:20 pm

Thank you VirtualTroy....I wasn't aware of this. I also found out that they don't allow upgrades through F.F. miles from their partner airlines such as AA.

thadocta Jul 5, 2003 2:50 pm


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by mlm:
Thank you VirtualTroy....I wasn't aware of this. I also found out that they don't allow upgrades through F.F. miles from their partner airlines such as AA. </font>
It isn't QF that doesn't permit this, it is the airline which you are a member of (since you mentioned AA, I presume you are an AAdvantage member).

When AA books a U class seat on QF, they have to pay QF for a reward business class seat for that sector. How AA charges the AAdvantage member for the flight is AA's business. It can be via points, or it can be with a PAID economy ticket and points/upgrade stickers/whatever.

AA have clearly looked at it and decided that what they have to pay QF for an upgrade - since they have to pay for a full U seat - is not worth being able to offer upgrades on paid travel.

Dave

nologic98 Sep 8, 2003 6:05 pm

Can QF frequent flyers upgrade others (besides family) using their miles, if not using their upgrade credits?

I would like to u/g a flight LAX-&gt;AKL, and I'm wondering if this is even possible (assuming I find a kindly QF Freqflyer who wants to help out here, for considerable trade of course (i've got plenty of CO miles and as a plat elite, enhanced access to inventory))

willyroo Sep 8, 2003 7:00 pm

I'm sure there's an airline called Quantas somewhere... http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

From the Qantas FF Terms and Conditions:

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">10.1.4 You may assign any Award you earn through Qantas Frequent Flyer to any member of your family covered in the list below. However, there may be tax implications on such a transfer for Australian taxpayers and you will need to consider clause 10.1.5 below. Your eligible family members may use the Award whether you travel with them or not. Award tickets issued for a member of your family must be in the name of the passenger travelling.
    </font>

    d00t Sep 8, 2003 11:38 pm

    While you can only upgrade those "related" to you...

    I am yet to be questioned about my 5 fiances, my 100 uncles or my 12 divorced mothers with unique surnames.

    &lt;33333 QF

    og Sep 9, 2003 12:53 am

    Tread with caution.

    NM Sep 9, 2003 12:53 am


    <font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by d00t:
    While you can only upgrade those "related" to you...

    I am yet to be questioned about my 5 fiances, my 100 uncles or my 12 divorced mothers with unique surnames.
    </font>
    But Fiance is not on the QF list?? Cousins and "in-laws" often have different surnames. Although I have never been questions beyond the relationship, all my redemptions have been for people who do qualify under the QF rules.

    Leumas Sep 9, 2003 6:10 am


    <font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by NM:
    But Fiance is not on the QF list??</font>
    'Domestic Partner/Defacto'...?

    I don't understand why they've these rules anyway...

    ozzie Sep 9, 2003 6:16 am

    While it is a breach of the "rules" to give an award to someone else, Qantas does this only to keep the Tax Office happy. If people were able to earn miles and "give" awards to anybody, the miles could be subjec to FBT in Australia. The limitations on who to give awards to were inserted to keep the tax office happy.

    ozstamps Sep 9, 2003 6:43 am

    And it does not pay to mess with the Tax Office. This astounded me today.


    www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/09/09/1062902037414.html

    kpc Sep 9, 2003 7:57 am


    <font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by ozstamps:
    And it does not pay to mess with the Tax Office. This astounded me today.


    www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/09/09/1062902037414.html
    </font>
    Someone on the radio suggested that he sell the cap to his wife for $1 and then ask her to bring the cap back to Australia http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif



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    kpc

    mikalee Sep 9, 2003 8:52 am


    <font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by kpc:
    Someone on the radio suggested that he sell the cap to his wife for $1 and then ask her to bring the cap back to Australia http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

    </font>
    Market Value & Arms Lengtth Transactions provisions would kick in - would still be deemed to be worth $425k on the open market by the ATO.

    willyroo Sep 9, 2003 6:48 pm


    <font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by ozzie:
    While it is a breach of the "rules" to give an award to someone else, Qantas does this only to keep the Tax Office happy. If people were able to earn miles and "give" awards to anybody, the miles could be subjec to FBT in Australia. The limitations on who to give awards to were inserted to keep the tax office happy.</font>
    Umm - FBT arises as a result of a fringe benefit provided to an employee or associate. I'm not quite sure how, if I earn miles, and give them away, either I or QF would be subject to FBT?

    http://www.ato.gov.au/corporate/cont...ent/mr9739.htm


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