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mlm Jul 5, 2003 11:29 am

Quantas Upgrade Cert. needed
 
If you have any upgrade certificates that would be good for flights originating from LAX please email me at [email protected].

I have lots to trade you for from hotel rooms to Broadway show tickets, whatever. Thanks!

virtualtroy Jul 5, 2003 11:33 am

QF doesn't do UG certificates like AA. QF FF's are awarded status credits, which are non-transferable other than to spouses, de facto partners or immediate family.

mlm Jul 5, 2003 2:20 pm

Thank you VirtualTroy....I wasn't aware of this. I also found out that they don't allow upgrades through F.F. miles from their partner airlines such as AA.

thadocta Jul 5, 2003 2:50 pm


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by mlm:
Thank you VirtualTroy....I wasn't aware of this. I also found out that they don't allow upgrades through F.F. miles from their partner airlines such as AA. </font>
It isn't QF that doesn't permit this, it is the airline which you are a member of (since you mentioned AA, I presume you are an AAdvantage member).

When AA books a U class seat on QF, they have to pay QF for a reward business class seat for that sector. How AA charges the AAdvantage member for the flight is AA's business. It can be via points, or it can be with a PAID economy ticket and points/upgrade stickers/whatever.

AA have clearly looked at it and decided that what they have to pay QF for an upgrade - since they have to pay for a full U seat - is not worth being able to offer upgrades on paid travel.

Dave

nologic98 Sep 8, 2003 6:05 pm

Can QF frequent flyers upgrade others (besides family) using their miles, if not using their upgrade credits?

I would like to u/g a flight LAX-&gt;AKL, and I'm wondering if this is even possible (assuming I find a kindly QF Freqflyer who wants to help out here, for considerable trade of course (i've got plenty of CO miles and as a plat elite, enhanced access to inventory))

willyroo Sep 8, 2003 7:00 pm

I'm sure there's an airline called Quantas somewhere... http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

From the Qantas FF Terms and Conditions:

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">10.1.4 You may assign any Award you earn through Qantas Frequent Flyer to any member of your family covered in the list below. However, there may be tax implications on such a transfer for Australian taxpayers and you will need to consider clause 10.1.5 below. Your eligible family members may use the Award whether you travel with them or not. Award tickets issued for a member of your family must be in the name of the passenger travelling.
    </font>

    d00t Sep 8, 2003 11:38 pm

    While you can only upgrade those "related" to you...

    I am yet to be questioned about my 5 fiances, my 100 uncles or my 12 divorced mothers with unique surnames.

    &lt;33333 QF

    og Sep 9, 2003 12:53 am

    Tread with caution.

    NM Sep 9, 2003 12:53 am


    <font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by d00t:
    While you can only upgrade those "related" to you...

    I am yet to be questioned about my 5 fiances, my 100 uncles or my 12 divorced mothers with unique surnames.
    </font>
    But Fiance is not on the QF list?? Cousins and "in-laws" often have different surnames. Although I have never been questions beyond the relationship, all my redemptions have been for people who do qualify under the QF rules.

    Leumas Sep 9, 2003 6:10 am


    <font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by NM:
    But Fiance is not on the QF list??</font>
    'Domestic Partner/Defacto'...?

    I don't understand why they've these rules anyway...

    ozzie Sep 9, 2003 6:16 am

    While it is a breach of the "rules" to give an award to someone else, Qantas does this only to keep the Tax Office happy. If people were able to earn miles and "give" awards to anybody, the miles could be subjec to FBT in Australia. The limitations on who to give awards to were inserted to keep the tax office happy.

    ozstamps Sep 9, 2003 6:43 am

    And it does not pay to mess with the Tax Office. This astounded me today.


    www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/09/09/1062902037414.html

    kpc Sep 9, 2003 7:57 am


    <font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by ozstamps:
    And it does not pay to mess with the Tax Office. This astounded me today.


    www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/09/09/1062902037414.html
    </font>
    Someone on the radio suggested that he sell the cap to his wife for $1 and then ask her to bring the cap back to Australia http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif



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    kpc

    mikalee Sep 9, 2003 8:52 am


    <font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by kpc:
    Someone on the radio suggested that he sell the cap to his wife for $1 and then ask her to bring the cap back to Australia http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

    </font>
    Market Value & Arms Lengtth Transactions provisions would kick in - would still be deemed to be worth $425k on the open market by the ATO.

    willyroo Sep 9, 2003 6:48 pm


    <font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by ozzie:
    While it is a breach of the "rules" to give an award to someone else, Qantas does this only to keep the Tax Office happy. If people were able to earn miles and "give" awards to anybody, the miles could be subjec to FBT in Australia. The limitations on who to give awards to were inserted to keep the tax office happy.</font>
    Umm - FBT arises as a result of a fringe benefit provided to an employee or associate. I'm not quite sure how, if I earn miles, and give them away, either I or QF would be subject to FBT?

    http://www.ato.gov.au/corporate/cont...ent/mr9739.htm

    snerp Sep 11, 2003 12:06 am

    The issue is that points arising from business travel might be a "fringe benefit" and therefore your employer - not QF, not you - would be required to pay the FB Tax. OK, not your problem unless your employer "avoids" the FB Tax by asking QF to withold FF points on business travel!! Points that are not completely transferable are less likely to be held to be a benefit. For similar reasons QF won't sell points - because to do so would help the tax office to place a value upon them.

    Snerp the (reformed) accountant

    ozzie Sep 11, 2003 12:44 am


    <font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by snerp:
    The issue is that points arising from business travel might be a "fringe benefit" and therefore your employer - not QF, not you - would be required to pay the FB Tax. OK, not your problem unless your employer "avoids" the FB Tax by asking QF to withold FF points on business travel!! Points that are not completely transferable are less likely to be held to be a benefit. For similar reasons QF won't sell points - because to do so would help the tax office to place a value upon them.

    Snerp the (reformed) accountant
    </font>
    So that 12 months of tax law at university did teach me something !! (Ozzie, the lawyer who'd prefer never to think abot tax again)

    ozstamps Sep 11, 2003 2:42 am


    <font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by ozstamps:

    And it does not pay to mess with the Tax Office. This astounded me today.

    www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/09/09/1062902037414.html</font>
    Someone on the radio suggested that he sell the cap to his wife for $1 and then ask her to bring the cap back to Australia http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

    kpc

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    If he simply took it on the plane as carry-on I can't imagine anyone would have cast a second glance at it. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

    OR, something small like that mailed Registered Post would arrive without incident from the UK. There is no value declared on Registered Mail sendings providing weight does not exceed 500g. As long as he raised an all-risks cover note on it, he is covered for any loss or damage in transit.

    $42,000 GST on a mouldy cap is pretty nuts. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif

    NM Sep 11, 2003 7:39 pm


    <font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by ozstamps:
    OR, something small like that mailed Registered Post would arrive without incident from the UK. There is no value declared on Registered Mail sendings providing weight does not exceed 500g. As long as he raised an all-risks cover note on it, he is covered for any loss or damage in transit. </font>
    Hmm, yesterday I sent a 295 gram package to the US (Australia Post Economy Airmail, not registered) and had to declare a description of the good and the value in A$. I would have expected the same from the UK, but have no practical experience in doing so.

    According to one of the newpaper articles, the bloke previously worked for Customs, so knew the rules. He actually made enquiries to both Customs and ATO and received ambiguous answers. They were waiting for him at Melbourne airport knowing he had the goods with him.

    I wonder how much the cap's value would have been reduced if he chose to wear it on his head as he entered the country?

    Now, if my used underwear was sold on ebay for half a million bucks (well, just maybe http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif), will I be charged a hugh tax bill next time I bring my suitcase of washing back into the country?

    What happens next time Steve Waugh bring his baggy green home after an overseas tour? Will his cap's value be calculated pro-rata based on career batting average?

    ozstamps Sep 11, 2003 11:11 pm

    My business involves mailing goods (stamps) overseas a few dozen times a week.

    Australia Post sells two different size It'l REGISTERED pre-paid envelopes good for ANY overseas countries.

    They cost about $8 for the smaller one and $15 for the real large one - 250mm x 360mm. Those do not have or require any documentation whatever on them, indeed there is no provision for it. They allegedly only are to contain printed matter material. You may send up to 500 grams in either. No ID check is required.

    Anything other than that needs to be sent INSURED mail. You may not any longer REGISTER goods overseas unless you use the pre-paid PO envelopes.

    Anything NOT insured and not exceeding 2 Kg weight and not exceeding $A500 declared value weight only needs a green CN22 form. The PO also applies a flouro orange "ID VERIFIED" sticker of outside. This is all due to 9/11 and the Anthrax scare in USA.

    The odd thing about our GST is that is does NOT apply to exports. If these 2 Australian stamps which recently sold for $A217,898 where offered in Australia and bought by an Australian, I or seller or Auction would need to charge the buyer $21,788 GST on them.

    However if I mailed them via $A8 Registered Mail to a relative in NZ or GB or USA there is no GST applicable as they have been exported. If the Ozzie based buyer then collected them in person from NZ and bought them home, or indeed had them mailed back Registered Post, well... you follow the story. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif

    GST applies on ALL second hand goods. I can sell you a 200 year old letter that has changed hands 20 times in its life and GST applies. In many countries second hand goods are exempt, and most certainly as in UK all antiques are exempt, no matter what they are.

    mikalee Sep 12, 2003 2:37 am

    If you are happy to pay $425k for a cap then I don't think the 10% GST will be a barrier to you purchasing it.

    I think this guy should be applauded, he thought there might be tax payable, investigated, surrendered the goods, paid the tax and received custody of the hat. If he thinks there has been an error at law, I am sure he will be seeking advice from an expert.

    My concern is leaving a 1/2 million dollar hat with customs when they can't even physically secure their own mainframe computers http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif


    [This message has been edited by mikalee (edited 09-12-2003).]


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