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Originally Posted by Dave Noble
(Post 32452227)
The CoC only allows for a refund for a significant schedule change - 1 minute is not close to being significant and I also doubt that Australian consumer law would class a refund as an entitlement in such a minor schedule change
As far as cancellation - I was fairly sure that with 3 separate fares on 1 itinerary, that a cancellation of 1 flight would allow for refund of all fares on that ticket and that this is a benefit of booking in such a way rather than buying 3 standalone tickets |
Originally Posted by madrooster
(Post 32459598)
So you wish to dispute the fact that, as an agent, I've processed numerous full no penalty refunds over the past years with schedule changes of 1-5 mins? I use the policy to the advantage of my clients, automatically, without being asked to.
You may have been able to process refunds, as a travel agent, based on a one minute time change, but that does not mean the passenger has a 'right' to do so, or could demand a refund if calling Qantas. |
Originally Posted by LHR/MEL/Europe FF
(Post 32460068)
You stated that a one minute time change is grounds for a full refund. This is not reflected in the airline's contract with the passenger, nor is it supported by Australian consumer law.
You may have been able to process refunds, as a travel agent, based on a one minute time change, but that does not mean the passenger has a 'right' to do so, or could demand a refund if calling Qantas. |
Originally Posted by madrooster
(Post 32460806)
There are examples online on Australian Frequent Flyer where members have been offered a refund with such small time changes, even proactively, on direct bookings when calling in.
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I never got e-mail confirmation of refund being processed - is this normal?
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Originally Posted by stevie
(Post 32465865)
I never got e-mail confirmation of refund being processed - is this normal?
She also said to keep a note of the date of my request and if I hadn’t received the refund after 10 weeks, to telephone again and they would process it immediately. Soon after the call I could see that my booking had disappeared from ‘my trips’ on the Qantas App. |
Originally Posted by Gorcat
(Post 32465890)
Yes, the rep informed me, when I telephoned for my refund, that there wouldn’t be any email confirmation of the refund request.
She also said to keep a note of the date of my request and if I hadn’t received the refund after 10 weeks, to telephone again and they would process it immediately. Soon after the call I could see that my booking had disappeared from ‘my trips’ on the Qantas App. |
abc.net.au Link----> Qantas offers customers refunds for flight cancellations as Government instructs ACCC to keep watch over airlines
Qantas is offering customers a refund for flights cancelled or suspended due to COVID-19 travel restrictions, as the Government orders Australia's competition watchdog to monitor anti-competitive behaviour of airlines The Australian Competition and Consumer Commission (ACCC) said the agency's COVID-19 Taskforce raised concerns with Qantas after receiving hundreds of complaints from passengers whose flights were suspended or cancelled due to travel restrictions, but who were given credits by Qantas instead of the refunds they were entitled to. The move comes as the Federal Government instructs the ACCC to keep watch over airlines including attempts to swamp airline routes, artificially push down prices or lock in exclusive deals with airports and suppliers. <snip> news.com.au Link---> Qantas savaged over coronavirus refund policy The consumer watchdog has savaged Qantas for not telling customers they were entitled to refunds on flights cancelled as a result of the coronavirus. The Australian Competition and Consumer Commission has received hundreds of complaints from passengers whose flights were suspended or cancelled because of travel restrictions but were given credit, not refunds. “From our perspective, from the outset, Qantas did not communicate clearly with customers about their rights and in a large number of cases, simply omitted they were entitled to a refund,” ACCC chair Rod Sims said in a statement on Friday. “In some cases, the ACCC considers Qantas’ emails may have encouraged these customers to cancel bookings themselves in order to receive a credit when many would have been eligible for a refund.” . |
So with this latest news on cancellations, does it mean previous accepted vouchers (believing their was no alternative) can now be fully cancelled and cash back?
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Originally Posted by nivsy
(Post 32468431)
So with this latest news on cancellations, does it mean previous accepted vouchers (believing their was no alternative) can now be fully cancelled and cash back?
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Originally Posted by Dave Noble
(Post 32468666)
If you have already accepted a voucher, you cannot now go back and ask for a refund
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Originally Posted by LHR/MEL/Europe FF
(Post 32468720)
Just about anything that has been ‘done’ can be ‘undone’. If a passenger was misled into taking an option, I don’t see why that couldn’t be revisited.
If the person never requested a refund, but went online and clicked accepting a credit, I still doubt that a refund would be granted |
Originally Posted by Dave Noble
(Post 32468726)
If my reading was correct, the person accepted a voucher and then the flight was cancelled -in that case I cannot see any reason for the airline to give a refund
If the person never requested a refund, but went online and clicked accepting a credit, I still doubt that a refund would be granted I think there are multiple layers here. If Qantas kept flights 'active' in the system to encourage people to self cancel, there could well be grounds to reverse a voucher. Singapore airlines for example is still showing a flight in their system that i know has been cancelled. Does that make by request for a refund voluntary? |
Originally Posted by LHR/MEL/Europe FF
(Post 32470432)
I don't know where you're reading this? It's not the OP's example. And it sounded like nivsy's question may have been a hypothetical?
I think there are multiple layers here. If Qantas kept flights 'active' in the system to encourage people to self cancel, there could well be grounds to reverse a voucher. Singapore airlines for example is still showing a flight in their system that i know has been cancelled. Does that make by request for a refund voluntary? Has Singapore Airlines stated that the flight is cancelled - if so then it wouldnt be a voluntary refund. If SQ has indicated that it plans not to run the flight, but has not actually cancelled it, then wait for the actual cancellation to occur |
The Qantas campaign was carefully orchestrated, inviting people to cancel now and receive a voucher or possibly ‘miss out’ later. Some of those flights QF likely knew they were never going to operate, but did not cancel them in the system... thus forcing a ‘voluntary’ cancellation (or so they would argue). QF should have cancelled those flights up front, as soon as they knew they were not going to operate them.
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