[PREM FARE GONE] *A: UK - Tokyo NH/LH/LX £1390rt
Jul 7, 2019, 6:48 am
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[PREM FARE GONE] *A: UK - Tokyo NH/LH/LX £1390rt
Works from *A regional airports in UK (not London). Outbound via FRA/DUS/MUC/ZRH with LX/NH/LH. For the return, the only way to get home at the £1390 price is to Do a 2-stop via ICN. I tried many different dates but couldn’t find TYO-EU direct at the good price but maybe someone here can.
Dates are Oct 2019 - June 2020.
example from BHX here: BHX-HND
Dates are Oct 2019 - June 2020.
example from BHX here: BHX-HND
Jul 7, 2019, 9:34 am
#2
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Fare is PNC6ZGB UK - SEL
Routings
MINIMUM STAY TRAVEL FROM TURNAROUND MUST COMMENCE NO EARLIER THAN 6
DAYS AFTER DEPARTURE FROM FARE ORIGIN.
OR - TRAVEL FROM TURNAROUND MUST COMMENCE NO EARLIER
THAN THE FIRST SUN AFTER ARRIVAL AT THE
TURNAROUND.
MAXIMUM STAY TRAVEL FROM LAST STOPOVER MUST COMMENCE NO LATER THAN
12 MONTHS AFTER DEPARTURE FROM FARE ORIGIN.
STOPOVERS 1 STOPOVER PERMITTED IN EACH DIRECTION AT GBP 75.00
CHILD/INFANT DISCOUNTS APPLY.
TRANSFERS UNLIMITED TRANSFERS PERMITTED IN EACH DIRECTION.
FARE BREAK SURFACE SECTORS NOT PERMITTED AND EMBEDDED
SURFACE SECTORS PERMITTED ON THE FARE COMPONENT.
DAYS AFTER DEPARTURE FROM FARE ORIGIN.
OR - TRAVEL FROM TURNAROUND MUST COMMENCE NO EARLIER
THAN THE FIRST SUN AFTER ARRIVAL AT THE
TURNAROUND.
MAXIMUM STAY TRAVEL FROM LAST STOPOVER MUST COMMENCE NO LATER THAN
12 MONTHS AFTER DEPARTURE FROM FARE ORIGIN.
STOPOVERS 1 STOPOVER PERMITTED IN EACH DIRECTION AT GBP 75.00
CHILD/INFANT DISCOUNTS APPLY.
TRANSFERS UNLIMITED TRANSFERS PERMITTED IN EACH DIRECTION.
FARE BREAK SURFACE SECTORS NOT PERMITTED AND EMBEDDED
SURFACE SECTORS PERMITTED ON THE FARE COMPONENT.
MAP CONSTRUCTED LEFT TO RIGHT AND RIGHT TO LEFT 1. MAN-LX-CGN/DUS/FRA/GVA/MUC/VIE/ZRH-CGN/DUS/FRA/GVA/MUC/
VIE/ZRH-NGO/OSA/SEL/TYO-BR/CI/KE/LX/NH/OZ/PR/UA-SEL
2. MAN-LX-CGN/DUS/FRA/GVA/MUC/VIE/ZRH-CGN/DUS/FRA/GVA/MUC/
VIE/ZRH-SEL
VIE/ZRH-NGO/OSA/SEL/TYO-BR/CI/KE/LX/NH/OZ/PR/UA-SEL
2. MAN-LX-CGN/DUS/FRA/GVA/MUC/VIE/ZRH-CGN/DUS/FRA/GVA/MUC/
VIE/ZRH-SEL
Jul 8, 2019, 9:05 am
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That's an awesome fare. Looks like most options involve airport change or overnight in SEL so to make the most of it you can do a stopover in Seoul for a few days on the way back. (for the extra £75)
Jul 8, 2019, 11:13 am
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I am not proficient enough to understand the fare rules quoted in this, could someone please explain the routing rules 'map constructed left to right and right to left'?
What is a fare break point? difference with stopover?
I am currently planning a trip to TYO and HKT next Feb, so if its possible to make the fare break point BKK instead would be really great...
I have tried on ITA Matrix but can't get anything other than SEL to work...grrrr
I am currently planning a trip to TYO and HKT next Feb, so if its possible to make the fare break point BKK instead would be really great...
I have tried on ITA Matrix but can't get anything other than SEL to work...grrrr
Jul 8, 2019, 12:43 pm
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I think he meant that even though the fare is to various Japanese cities, it especially requires a stop (temporary or otherwise) in SEL. If you don't then the search engine will find an alternative fare.
Jul 8, 2019, 12:57 pm
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According to the fare routing and the rules governing stopovers, you can have a stopover in Asia at the cities in red
BHX-LH-CGN/DUS/FRA/GVA/MUC/VIE/ZRH-CGN/DUS/FRA/GVA/MUC/VIE/ZRH-NGO/OSA/SEL/TYO-BR/CI/KE/LH/NH/OZ/PR/UA-SEL
Consider the OP's itinerary in terms of the fare components, as the fare covers BHX-SEL, the fare break point takes place in SEL, even if travel itself does not stop at Seoul.
Outbound -> BHX-FRA-HND//HND-GMP
Return -> ICN-FRA-BHX
You can see this in action on ITA matrix, where the outbound has priced in the 75GBP stopover fee
The solution to your conundrum is either
a) open jaw BHX-SEL//HKT-BHX + one-way SEL-HKT ticket
b) BHX-SEL + SEL/TYO-HKT return ticket
c) use an Asian carrier that serves Europe and has a base in Japan / SE Asia for an easy stopover - NH,SQ,TG spring to mind, prob not cheap
BHX-LH-CGN/DUS/FRA/GVA/MUC/VIE/ZRH-CGN/DUS/FRA/GVA/MUC/VIE/ZRH-NGO/OSA/SEL/TYO-BR/CI/KE/LH/NH/OZ/PR/UA-SEL
Consider the OP's itinerary in terms of the fare components, as the fare covers BHX-SEL, the fare break point takes place in SEL, even if travel itself does not stop at Seoul.
Outbound -> BHX-FRA-HND//HND-GMP
Return -> ICN-FRA-BHX
You can see this in action on ITA matrix, where the outbound has priced in the 75GBP stopover fee
Fare for 1 adult
Fare 1: Carrier LH PNC6ZGB BHX to SEL (rules)
Passenger type ADT, round trip fare, booking code P
Covers BHX-MUC (Business), MUC-HND (Business), HND-GMP (Business)
€476.07
Fare 2: Carrier LH PNC6ZGB SEL to BHX (rules)
Passenger type ADT, round trip fare, booking code P
Covers ICN-FRA (Business), FRA-BHX (Business)
€392.45
Fare 1: Carrier LH PNC6ZGB BHX to SEL (rules)
Passenger type ADT, round trip fare, booking code P
Covers BHX-MUC (Business), MUC-HND (Business), HND-GMP (Business)
€476.07
Fare 2: Carrier LH PNC6ZGB SEL to BHX (rules)
Passenger type ADT, round trip fare, booking code P
Covers ICN-FRA (Business), FRA-BHX (Business)
€392.45
The solution to your conundrum is either
a) open jaw BHX-SEL//HKT-BHX + one-way SEL-HKT ticket
b) BHX-SEL + SEL/TYO-HKT return ticket
c) use an Asian carrier that serves Europe and has a base in Japan / SE Asia for an easy stopover - NH,SQ,TG spring to mind, prob not cheap
Jul 8, 2019, 5:39 pm
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Yeah you can. As discussed above you need to at least transit through ICN.
A better idea may be to do UK-KIX then have a holiday at some point to ICN then KIX-UK. Example
A better idea may be to do UK-KIX then have a holiday at some point to ICN then KIX-UK. Example
Jul 23, 2019, 11:38 am
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Aug 23, 2019, 10:56 pm
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Yeah you can. As discussed above you need to at least transit through ICN.
A better idea may be to do UK-KIX then have a holiday at some point to ICN then KIX-UK. Example
A better idea may be to do UK-KIX then have a holiday at some point to ICN then KIX-UK. Example
You can also book directly on the LH website by selecting "LH Group" operated flights. Make sure to select LH Group op. flight numbers.