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Unionruler Dec 8, 2018 2:51 am

AA HKG-PEK/ICN/TYO-DFW-MEX/GDL/CUN r/t $1,845
 
Books into AA I. Transpac segments must be on AA, but intra-Asia segments can book into almost any OW/ AA partner airline. Widely searchable on GF and ITAMatrix.

Mauibaby2008 Dec 8, 2018 3:44 am


Originally Posted by Unionruler (Post 30511976)
Books into AA I. Transpac segments must be on AA, but intra-Asia segments can book into almost any OW/ AA partner airline. Widely searchable on GF and ITAMatrix.

wow!!!

this almost makes it impossible to fly my upcoming 70K Alaska Jakarta - Hong Kong - Boston CX F ..

when I can fly this fare round trip, although .. positioning costs, Jakarta to Hong Kong and MEX to/east coast but easy with avios.

$1880 HKG NRT DFW MEX DFW NRT HKG (and 55,000 AS miles)

or 70,000 alaska one way home CGK HKG BOS in F ?

and I just met my Amex platinum minimum spend this is ridic 😢

lly89 Dec 8, 2018 4:18 am

Hi,

Do you have a GF example? I can't seem to get that price.

Thanks

Edit*** Please ignore, I worked it out.

Ceres Dec 8, 2018 6:05 am


Originally Posted by lly89 (Post 30512101)
Hi,

Do you have a GF example? I can't seem to get that price.

Thanks

Edit*** Please ignore, I worked it out.

can you give an example I cannot either?

Thanks

HLT1904 Dec 8, 2018 6:12 am

This would be an amazing deal

jfkeze Dec 8, 2018 6:20 am

Plenty of dates work till October 2019... Here is a GF Link with flights on JAL... have seen combos of JAL, KE and more :D

Ceres Dec 8, 2018 7:08 am


Originally Posted by jfkeze (Post 30512296)
Plenty of dates work till October 2019... Here is a GF Link with flights on JAL... have seen combos of JAL, KE and more :D

Thanks, I just booked one in may for $1902

GYEWorldTraveler Dec 8, 2018 7:21 am

Wish I could say I’m surprised but this seems to be pretty standard exit-CN/HK pricing for AA these days.

For those looking for the max experience, since AA is on MPM and not routings, you can do some pretty ridiculous routings like HKG-LAX-JFK-DFW-MEX and get 77W, 321T and 767. You could also get some CX/JL intra-Asia flights - probably can get 50k+ EQM on this fare.

tango3 Dec 8, 2018 7:22 am

I found a routing to get around 800TP from this at US$1.9k. Is that the max you can extract from this fare?

Ceres Dec 8, 2018 7:42 am

Deleted - (dumb question)

londonexpert Dec 8, 2018 7:47 am


Originally Posted by GYEWorldTraveler (Post 30512396)
Wish I could say I’m surprised but this seems to be pretty standard exit-CN/HK pricing for AA these days.

For those looking for the max experience, since AA is on MPM and not routings, you can do some pretty ridiculous routings like HKG-LAX-JFK-DFW-MEX and get 77W, 321T and 767. You could also get some CX/JL intra-Asia flights - probably can get 50k+ EQM on this fare.


Just wondered can we build in stopovers in this fare? Fare rules said ok, but I can't get ITA to work.

I think the MPM is 10548

So don't think can route through JFK??

Also can we take the AA codeshare on JL for trans pacific sectors or just AA?

Unionruler Dec 8, 2018 7:54 am


Originally Posted by londonexpert (Post 30512451)
Just wondered can we build in stopovers in this fare? Fare rules said ok, but I can't get ITA to work.

I think the MPM is 10548

So don't think can route through JFK??

Also can we take the AA codeshare on JL for trans pacific sectors or just AA?

Yeah ITA is quite bad at working stopovers into AA fares. Can route through JFK I think you just pay a bit more for exceeding MPM. When I read the fare rules it seemed like the transpac segment had to be marketed and operated by AA.

Unionruler Dec 8, 2018 8:03 am


Originally Posted by GYEWorldTraveler (Post 30512396)
Wish I could say I’m surprised but this seems to be pretty standard exit-CN/HK pricing for AA these days.


Yeah. Although it has to be said that to us mileage runners, CN/HK are pretty much the same thing, but to laypersons as well as in terms of origin and destination theory, CN and HK are quite different markets.

Microtat Dec 8, 2018 8:07 am

Sorry for posting this question, would i face any problem for the return legs, say dfwlaxhkg if i decided not to fly the dfw-mex-dfw sectors?

thanks for your advice!

jfkeze Dec 8, 2018 8:11 am


Originally Posted by Microtat (Post 30512520)
Sorry for posting this question, would i face any problem for the return legs, say dfwlaxhkg if i decided not to fly the dfw-mex-dfw sectors?

thanks for your advice!

All segments after the one that you miss would be cancelled. :( Normal airline rules

stephem Dec 8, 2018 8:50 am


Originally Posted by londonexpert (Post 30512451)
Just wondered can we build in stopovers in this fare? Fare rules said ok, but I can't get ITA to work.

I think the MPM is 10548

So don't think can route through JFK??

Also can we take the AA codeshare on JL for trans pacific sectors or just AA?

The fare rules may say stopovers allowed but scroll down and you will see there are no HIP exceptions, so the stopover will cause a HiP check and increase the fare, possibly significantly.

As for MPM, you can exceed it, but it will result in a surchage (sliding scale depending on % you exceed MPM).

On routings, fare rules i looked at said 1 xfer in area 3, and 3 xfers in area 1.

stephem Dec 8, 2018 8:53 am

Also available for SJD for west coasters. SJD-LAX-SJD can be had for cheap.

londonexpert Dec 8, 2018 8:59 am


Originally Posted by stephem (Post 30512612)


The fare rules may say stopovers allowed but scroll down and you will see there are no HIP exceptions, so the stopover will cause a HiP check and increase the fare, possibly significantly.

As for MPM, you can exceed it, but it will result in a surchage (sliding scale depending on % you exceed MPM).

On routings, fare rules i looked at said 1 xfer in area 3, and 3 xfers in area 1.

Thanks - This is the point I am always a bit confused on the HIP check.

is there some reference I can check to understand it more?

Pochama Dec 8, 2018 9:07 am


Originally Posted by tango3 (Post 30512397)
I found a routing to get around 800TP from this at US$1.9k. Is that the max you can extract from this fare?

What's the routing?

edit: nvm figured it out. HKG-NRT-LAX-JFK-DFW-CUN r/t would give exactly 800.

londonexpert Dec 8, 2018 9:07 am


Originally Posted by stephem (Post 30512612)


The fare rules may say stopovers allowed but scroll down and you will see there are no HIP exceptions, so the stopover will cause a HiP check and increase the fare, possibly significantly.

As for MPM, you can exceed it, but it will result in a surchage (sliding scale depending on % you exceed MPM).

On routings, fare rules i looked at said 1 xfer in area 3, and 3 xfers in area 1.


Thanks - I understand now.

If I do HKG-NRT-DFW-MEX. And if NRT-MEX is more expensive than HKG-MEX then I need to pay the higher fare as part of HIP.

I guess I can really max it out and do: HKG-KIX-FUK-CTS-NRT (each within 24 hours) and then fly to the US?

stephem Dec 8, 2018 9:08 am


Originally Posted by londonexpert (Post 30512635)
Thanks - This is the point I am always a bit confused on the HIP check.

is there some reference I can check to understand it more?

HIP stands for Higher Intermediate Point and just means that the fare to some intermediate point on the way to your destination is different (most likely higher) and so you have to pay that higher intermediate fare if you want to stop in that intermediate location. For this fare, the HKG-DFW is much more than this fare, if you want to stop in DFW then you will pay a HIP charge, equivalent to the difference between this fare and the HKG-DFW.

There are times when the HIP charge is still a good deal. I’ve paid a slight additional HIP to get a very low cost LAX-JFK roundtrip on AAs 32t.

stephem Dec 8, 2018 9:11 am


Originally Posted by londonexpert (Post 30512651)
I guess I can really max it out and do: HKG-KIX-FUK-CTS-NRT (each within 24 hours) and then fly to the US?

The fare only allows one transfer in Area 3 so you cannot do this. But now you see why we covet the few fares that are filed with no transfer limit, even if there is a HIP check.

londonexpert Dec 8, 2018 9:17 am


Originally Posted by stephem (Post 30512612)


The fare rules may say stopovers allowed but scroll down and you will see there are no HIP exceptions, so the stopover will cause a HiP check and increase the fare, possibly significantly.

As for MPM, you can exceed it, but it will result in a surchage (sliding scale depending on % you exceed MPM).

On routings, fare rules i looked at said 1 xfer in area 3, and 3 xfers in area 1.


Originally Posted by stephem (Post 30512663)


The fare only allows one transfer in Area 3 so you cannot do this. But now you see why we covet the few fares that are filed with no transfer limit, even if there is a HIP check.

Thanks!! Yes the Transit restrictions trumps the unlimited Stopover.

For a HKG-NRT-DFW-MEX
So a HIP check will need to be performed on
HKG-DFW
HKG-NRT
NRT-DFW
NRT-MEX
If any point is more expensive than HKG-DFW, than the HIP surcharge will be applicable.

Just wondered other than Mexico, are there any other "americas" cities these AA fares are applicable?

londonexpert Dec 8, 2018 9:31 am


Originally Posted by Unionruler (Post 30512508)
Yeah. Although it has to be said that to us mileage runners, CN/HK are pretty much the same thing, but to laypersons as well as in terms of origin and destination theory, CN and HK are quite different markets.

HKG is much easier as not visa restriction for most travellers and the airport is designed well for transits

hellointer Dec 8, 2018 9:33 am

Is there any more location can select? Just for more AS tie miles if possbile only intra Asia can via JL airline? ....

stageworks Dec 8, 2018 12:09 pm

Just booked HKG-LAX-JFK-MIA-CUN-MIA-JFK-LAX-HKG - FOR $1936 - used EVIP's to F and cleared. This will be a nice ride.

Bonaventure Dec 8, 2018 12:43 pm

Is the only way to boost EQD flying intra-Asia? Someone mentioned that TPAC must be AA coded and AA metal?

Gino Troian Dec 8, 2018 12:43 pm

Great fare ^

smilee Dec 8, 2018 12:45 pm

How do you book. When I use the Google Flights link, it shows the fare, but if I go to make the purchase I get the usual

Something went wrong.

We are sorry for the inconvenience, we encountered an error processing your request.
  1. We are not able to confirm your selected flights. Please resubmit your request. (15079 - 420)

When I search aa.com, I don't see this fare available. Is it still there?

BigMouthStrikesAgain Dec 8, 2018 1:35 pm

Stageworks,
how did you get that routing? I can’t replicate the JFK part on GF or AA.com!

anyone have a guess as to how many miles this would credit to AA and or AS with no status on either airline?

thanks!

Barkinpark Dec 8, 2018 2:32 pm


Originally Posted by smilee (Post 30513314)
How do you book. When I use the Google Flights link, it shows the fare, but if I go to make the purchase I get the usual

When I search aa.com, I don't see this fare available. Is it still there?

In this case, it's worth it to use a travel agent. The fare may disappear at any time.

Gino Troian Dec 8, 2018 3:03 pm


Originally Posted by smilee (Post 30513314)
How do you book. When I use the Google Flights link, it shows the fare, but if I go to make the purchase I get the usual

When I search aa.com, I don't see this fare available. Is it still there?

Use https://matrix.itasoftware.com/ and when you find a routing that works for you, head over to https://bookwithmatrix.com/ ^

stageworks Dec 8, 2018 3:22 pm


Originally Posted by BigMouthStrikesAgain (Post 30513438)
Stageworks,
how did you get that routing? I can’t replicate the JFK part on GF or AA.com!

anyone have a guess as to how many miles this would credit to AA and or AS with no status on either airline?

thanks!

Try this link:

https://www.google.com/flights/#flt=...02*.USD.192102

platbrownguy Dec 8, 2018 3:50 pm


Originally Posted by BigMouthStrikesAgain (Post 30513438)
Stageworks,
how did you get that routing? I can’t replicate the JFK part on GF or AA.com!

anyone have a guess as to how many miles this would credit to AA and or AS with no status on either airline?

thanks!


Should be about 45,000 EQM on AA. Actual redeemable miles, not much on AA -- <10k because it's fare based. Definitely credit to AS if you're looking for RDM.

Gino Troian Dec 8, 2018 4:34 pm


Originally Posted by platbrownguy (Post 30513780)
Should be about 45,000 EQM on AA. Actual redeemable miles, not much on AA -- <10k because it's fare based. Definitely credit to AS if you're looking for RDM.

there's a way to trick AA to credit your fare as "Fare Unavailable" should earn around 6,900 EQD and 62,500 RDM ;)

edit: to trick earnings, the cost goes up to $2800

baclubflyer Dec 8, 2018 4:48 pm


Originally Posted by Gino Troian (Post 30513917)
there's a way to trick AA to credit your fare as "Fare Unavailable" should earn around 6,900 EQD and 62,500 RDM ;)

edit: to trick earnings, the cost goes up to $2800

How do you do this?

baclubflyer Dec 8, 2018 4:54 pm


Originally Posted by smilee (Post 30513314)
How do you book. When I use the Google Flights link, it shows the fare, but if I go to make the purchase I get the usual

When I search aa.com, I don't see this fare available. Is it still there?

I think the issue is that for some reason GF is showing certain flight available when there is in fact no I inventory

atcanobbio Dec 9, 2018 1:57 am

has anyone been able to price this with a stopover in the US? stopover one way or both ways?

olouie Dec 9, 2018 2:04 am


Originally Posted by baclubflyer (Post 30513950)


How do you do this?

Curious as well!

Tokyoite Dec 9, 2018 3:02 am


Originally Posted by atcanobbio (Post 30514833)
has anyone been able to price this with a stopover in the US? stopover one way or both ways?

fare will increase. se post 16.
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/30512612-post16.html


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