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Old Feb 19, 2016, 1:49 pm
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AA Vacations / aavacations.com Flight and Ground Packages

Trust American Airlines to offer you the perfect package at the best price, guaranteed! When you choose to bundle your travel components into one package price we can offer you an unbeatable value by combining our unpublished low rates on flights with specially negotiated rates on hotels, activities and transportation. So, whether you're looking for a quick flight plus hotel weekend getaway or an all-inclusive package complete with flight, hotel, ground transportation and tickets to local attractions, you can rest easy knowing the entire trip is covered by our Lowest Price Guarantee.
Link to AA Vacations site website

FAQ

Q. Do these earn AA EQM and Award Miles (RDM)? Will they earn EQD (EQ Dollars) in 2017?

These generally book into discount paid fare buckets, so "Yes" at this time. There are a few promotional offers that do not earn EQM; these will clearly say so, so read thoroughly. See:

Special fares: Earning Award Miles and Elite Qualifying Credits on aa.com

and

Earning AA Elite Qualifying Miles / EQM on AA, oneworld, partners 2016

and this for the changes affecting Award Miles coming in the latter part of 2016.

Earning AA Award / Redeemable Miles / RDM on AA, partners later 2016


Q. Can I upgrade these with AA upgrade instruments (e500 "stickers", miles and copay, SWU)?

Currently, yes. These would follow the standard AA upgrade rules.


Q. Can I use AAdvantage Award Miles to "pay" for a vacation?

Yes. You can "pay" with money (cards, etc.), AAdvantage miles or a combination of both.


Q. So, what kinds of fares are ineligible for earning AA miles?

Certain airline tickets are not eligible for earning mileage credit. These include, without limitation, the following: all tickets issued as AAdvantage awards or other free ticket promotions including free or reduced rate tickets; companion tickets; charter flight tickets; travel agency/industry reduced rate tickets; infant tickets; items occupying a purchased seat; unpublished fare tickets, including consolidator fares, tickets issued as a result of a fare published inadvertently or by mistake and tickets issued subject to special provisions.

Link to AAdvantage Terms and Conditions
Exceptions (aa.com)

There are certain airline ticket types that are not eligible for mileage accrual regardless of the booking class. These include, without limitation, the following:

Q Are there any types of tickets that won’t earn award miles?

Yes, tickets that currently do not earn award miles, elite-qualifying miles or elite-qualifying segments will not earn award miles in the future. This includes:

  • All tickets issued as AAdvantage awards

  • Other free ticket promotions including free or reduced rate tickets

  • Companion tickets

  • Charter flight tickets

  • Travel agency/industry reduced rate tickets

  • Infant tickets

  • Extra seats or items occupying a purchased seat

  • Unpublished fare tickets, including consolidator fares

  • Tickets issued subject to special provisions
Q. What about EQM and Award ("Redeemable") Miles earning later in 2016?

AA has specified a set of "Special Fares", which includes AA Vacations:

Some fares (such as bulk or consolidator fares) earn award miles and Elite Qualifying Dollars (EQDs) at a modified rate based on a percentage of the distance flown as determined by the booking code.

Special fares are often purchased through a specialized agent, third party or as part of a package including air transportation and lodging.

Examples:
  • Bulk fares

  • Cruise fares

  • Consolidator fares

  • Discounted or inclusive tour packages

  • Vacation packages, including American Airlines Vacations® (AAV) packages

  • Other tickets where the fare isn't disclosed, excluding bookings made through priceline.com or hotwire.com where the carrier isn't disclosed before buying
Note that the Special Fares page also says, "AAdvantage elite member bonuses will be applied in addition to the percentages shown for award miles."


Q. What fare classes do First and Business packages book into?

Typically A for international First, A or P domestic F, and I or D international Business.


Q. What if I'm flying on a flight on a partner airline?

AA Vacations most often books into AA "code shares" / AA marketed flights. In that case, you'll earn miles as if flying on American. If it doesn't, you'll earn per the agreement AA has with the partner airline. Start here to look them up.


Q. What advance purchase restrictions are imposed?

Most advance purchase, minimum stay, etc. normally imposed by the airline don't apply; the restrictions are those imposed by AA Vacations. (Detailed Fare Rules for your fare generally do apply, however.)


Q. Are the trips or fares refundable?

Generally not fully refundable. Hotels and ground activities are generally not at all, and air will depend on the fare bucket and detailed rules. AA vacations does offer protection, but hotels etc. may not be included.

"There are two types of protection available: We offer the Cancellation and Change Waiver (Pre-Departure Protection) which allows you to cancel and/or change either the land or air portion of their package without penalty. Trip Protector (Post-Departure protection) from Allianz Global Assistance can provide protection for your trip expenses, your health and your belongings."

A waiver is usually $129.


Q. What is the shortest time I can book an air-hotel package for?

It appears three nights is the shortest period allowed by aavacations.


Q. Can I book a ten day package with only three days of prepaid hotel?

Sure. You'll have to call to do so, however.


Q. Is only one hotel offered?

No. A variety of properties is generally offered, but this will of course affect pricing.


Q. Does the hotel have to be in the destination city?

No. You can book a property in another city if it's offered by AA Vacations.


Q. What happens if I don't use the ground part (hotel, car, etc.)? Will they cancel my return flights?

Nothing. You can use it or forget it. No flight cancellations ensue. See AA Vacations - not checking in at Hotel Some purposely book the cheapest pricing for their trip knowing they're choosing a "throwaway hotel" they won't use.

Though one AA Vacations agent actually said "always book with us and just book the cheapest hotel for 3 days and throw it away", don't you say it's your intent.


Q. Will AA Vacations cause problems for me?

If you disclose your intent to AA Vacations to "throw away" (not stay at) the hotel, they can not sell you the package. So, don't.


Q. Will the hotel cause problems for me?

Not likely; they're paid for a prepaid stay whether you stay or not, as they get to keep the money and have "your" room to sell.


Q. Will I earn points at the hotel? Will they recognize my status?

Many chains don't recognize third party bookings for points or stay credit, but will usually recognize your status. Properties will treat as prepaid booking.


Q. Are there ever deals or promos?

Indeed. There are often sales and promotions; look for them on the site.


Q. What if I want to book open jaw or customize?

Calling can do that. There's a $39 call fee, unless it's not able to be booked online. Others have said you can generally calculate the price of an open jaw itinerary by adding half the price of pricing for vacations to the arrival and departure cities and adding those.


Q. Can I put these on "hold" while I think about it since these include air fare?

No. But: Refund of Air Ticket Portion Within 24 Hours of Purchase

Within 24 hours of booking, you are allowed to cancel your refundable or non-refundable air ticket for a full refund (and no change fees and/or difference in fare) subject to the following rules:
  • You must call 800-321-2121 within 24 hours of purchase to cancel the air ticket reservation and request a refund of the air ticket.
  • The reservation must have been booked at least 7 days before scheduled departure.
  • This policy does not apply to hotel or other non-air portions of the package. Standard cancellation policies will apply to all non-air components of the package.
  • Refunds are only issued for tickets booked on aavacations.com or with American Airlines Vacations Reservations.

Q. My AAdvantage credit card earns double Award ("Redeemable") Miles on AA purchases. Will AA Vacations purchases earn 2x miles?

No. What transactions are eligible to earn double AAdvantage® miles?

Eligible American Airlines purchases are items billed by American Airlines as the merchant of record booked through American Airlines channels (aa.com, American Airlines Reservations, American Airlines airport, in-flight and city ticket counters). American Airlines tickets purchased through other channels or that are a component of any other cruise or tour package do not earn the additional mile purchase bonuses. Products or services that do not qualify for the additional bonus miles include car rentals, hotel reservations, American Airlines Vacations packages, purchases of American Airlines AAdvantage miles, duty free purchases and or AA Cargo℠
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Old Jun 12, 2017, 2:41 pm
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Originally Posted by moonwoo
I am looking at booking a trip to London next year. Looks like AA vacations gives reasonable deals even for coach class. My family and I will be there for about 8 days but we'll only need a hotel for the very last night. Instead of throwing away the three nights of hotel, do you guys have any thoughts about how to utilize this for one night?

1. I thought about booking the hotel for the last 3 nights of stay (3/7-9) but I didnt want the hotel to cancel our reservation because we didn't show up until the very last last night (we will not be in London so there's no way we could just show up and check in on 3/7)
2. I thought about calling AA vacations and asking if they could book the hotel for three nights starting with our last night there but I wasn't sure if they would allow hotel stay that goes beyond the return trip ticket. (for example, if we are there from 3/2-3/10 but request a hotel 3/9-12, wouldn't that sound fishy?)

Any thoughts or should I just treat the three night hotel as a throwaway.
I did one where I booked two different hotels, one for one night on arrival and a different one for two nights in the middle of my trip. Had to call of course, but worked out just fine. I missed the first night due to flight fiascoes. Given they were two different reservations, I suspect even if you used the same hotel for the two different stays it would still be fine.
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Old Jun 12, 2017, 5:06 pm
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Originally Posted by erik123
I believe you can book 2+1. So book two nights somewhere else (e.g. cheapest available) - if doesn't even need to be in the UK, and perhaps not even within the travel dates (?).
Yes, you can split the required 3 nights into 2+1; I have done so with 2 at the beginning of my trip and 1 at the end.
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Old Jun 12, 2017, 10:37 pm
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The phone agents are getting used to us and are very flexible regarding the hotel, open jaws, extended stays, etc.
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Old Jun 13, 2017, 6:20 am
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Originally Posted by SFOPeter
The phone agents are getting used to us and are very flexible regarding the hotel, open jaws, extended stays, etc.
Agreed. I called a while back when we had an issue with our cheap throwaway hotel and then agent, when working with me, said "that's a throwaway, right?" And it made the dealings that much easier

Cheers.
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Old Jun 13, 2017, 7:42 am
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Originally Posted by SFOPeter
The phone agents are getting used to us and are very flexible regarding the hotel, open jaws, extended stays, etc.
Do you still get the discount if you book an open jaw + hotel package?
I tried to book such a package once JFK --Europe--MIA.
This cannot be booked online, so I called and I was quoted a price significantly higher than both JFK--Europe and MIA--Europe packages. The price was comparable with flight + hotel if booked separately.
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Old Jun 13, 2017, 8:44 am
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I wonder if you can book a hotel outside the travel window? That would be neat.
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Old Jun 13, 2017, 10:01 am
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Originally Posted by sobe_dude
Do you still get the discount if you book an open jaw + hotel package?
I tried to book such a package once JFK --Europe--MIA.
This cannot be booked online, so I called and I was quoted a price significantly higher than both JFK--Europe and MIA--Europe packages. The price was comparable with flight + hotel if booked separately.
Find roundtrip dates online that have decent prices. eg if you want SFO-PRG/BCN-SFO, find SFO-PRG-SFO and SFO-BCN-SFO at decent prices with the outbound and return dates you want and call it in.
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Old Jun 13, 2017, 11:42 am
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I just checked a variety of destinations in Europe (LHR, FRA, MUC, PRG, MAD, ATH, etc.) and Asia as well as departing airports in NC and found de minimus savings for every single destination. Does anyone have any insight into whether this is likely a temporary glitch or a new (and unfortunate) trend?
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Old Jun 13, 2017, 12:12 pm
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Originally Posted by maxwell109
I just checked a variety of destinations in Europe (LHR, FRA, MUC, PRG, MAD, ATH, etc.) and Asia as well as departing airports in NC and found de minimus savings for every single destination. Does anyone have any insight into whether this is likely a temporary glitch or a new (and unfortunate) trend?
Just checked CLT-BCN Nov 18 - Nov 26 and 3 nights hotel and came back with $3917. Seems like a decent enough deal. Days of week and dates do matter so not always there but am seeing availability on my searches.
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Old Jun 13, 2017, 12:20 pm
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Originally Posted by maxwell109
I just checked a variety of destinations in Europe (LHR, FRA, MUC, PRG, MAD, ATH, etc.) and Asia as well as departing airports in NC and found de minimus savings for every single destination. Does anyone have any insight into whether this is likely a temporary glitch or a new (and unfortunate) trend?
I just checked for ORD-FCO in J, for Oct 20-27 (random dates, but a nice time of year to be in Rome). I found prices around $2600/person (I was searching for 2 adults traveling together) including only three nights of the cheapest, likely throwaway, hotels. The flights included had one stop each way, but reasonable layovers of around 1,5 - 2,5 hours. For a little more, say $2700-2900, you could have a decent hotel. By comparison, on Google Flights, the cheapest J tickets were about $2500 on TK via IST (always cheap). AerLingus around $2900, everything else significantly more. So, there is a bit of a savings here, especially if you use the hotel or want to earn AA EQMs and EQDs. I have a trip booked through AAvacations to Rome in September, and I got a package with 5 nights in nice hotel that I plan to use for $200 less than the flight only cost for the same exact flights. What I haven't managed to do is to price the Flight+Car option. It always returns an error message.
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Old Jun 13, 2017, 6:34 pm
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PDX - DUB

Sometimes a day make a difference.
Oct 14 PDX-DUB for 2 was $8000
Oct 13 PDX-DUB was $2450
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Old Sep 30, 2017, 5:21 pm
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A question for the experts here, if you book a hotel/vacation for one person, can a second guest booked separately join you in the hotel room, would that matter for the hotel?

I mean after their shock that you are actually using the hotel...
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Old Oct 1, 2017, 9:00 am
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A question for the experts here, if you book a hotel/vacation for one person, can a second guest booked separately join you in the hotel room, would that matter for the hotel?

I mean after their shock that you are actually using the hotel...
I think it will depend on the hotel. If you book the package for 1 then the hotel will be booked for one, and particularly outside the US the prices are often different, especially when bfast is included. I think your two options are to (1) book over the phone and have the agent price the hotel for 2, or (2) book online making sure not to book a single room and then just pay any extra supplement at the hotel.
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Old Nov 3, 2017, 10:49 pm
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-SORRY, I realize this is probably a better question for the AA forum, will post there instead -

Has AA Vacations removed all special fares from routes to Asia? I cannot find one single special fare anymore (as marked by *) ... but when I searched a couple days ago there were many. I've been looking JFK/LAX to CGK/HKG various days. Please let me know.

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Old Nov 12, 2017, 4:08 pm
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Originally Posted by lifeisart
-SORRY, I realize this is probably a better question for the AA forum, will post there instead -

Has AA Vacations removed all special fares from routes to Asia? I cannot find one single special fare anymore (as marked by *) ... but when I searched a couple days ago there were many. I've been looking JFK/LAX to CGK/HKG various days. Please let me know.
I was about to ask this question as well - does anyone know? Looking to book a ticket to HKG in the next month to requalify for plat, but without the special fare the trip would be a bust because of decreased EQD earnings.
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