My Idea of security
 

In Israel before you enter the TLV airport you are stopped at a car search booth where you open your trunk and say where you are coming from this is a good start to have this before entering the airport.

Then you go through a questioning about the purpose of your trip where you packed your bags and if they were with you at all times. They also ask to see your ID and Ticket info. After this your carry on luggage is tagged and scanned before being placed into the machine. You then proceed to the checkin counter to check your bags or go through security if you only have cabin luggage etc.

At security you do not need to remove your shoes and other items and only your bags are checked. You can have a passport control for international flights where nationals go to one lines and visitors go to the next line where they ask the purpose of the trip and you turn in your Visa etc at this point. They swipe your passport to verify exit out of the USA .

Before departure agents with laptops verify international travelers and randomly select passengers for one quick screening before boarding.

When the plane leaves the list of passengers are sent to the TSA along with a "Security Check Complete" and other info.

Moments before the incoming plane arrives the agent verifies the list and sees if there are any errors before clicking Send Arrival Info to TSA so they know the plane arrived with all passengers.

Possibly having screening machines built into the baggage carousels before heading to the claim to double check that all is well.

And how about an exit security checkpoint where bags are scanned and people walk through without taking off their shoes just a quick search to make sure nothing illegal was added from the time passengers boarded to the time they arrived. You never know what happens.

For those selected for additional screening a SSS area is setup to handle this.

Any ideas on this plan to make America safer? I know this is a dream but if passengers showed up earlier before a flight to be safe then it is worth it.

And the thing here is that everyone is subjected to the screening no matter what race or background you come from no matter if you are a frequent traveler or a novice one. The random screening would be based on every other one then switch to every third one etc or for those who set off the alarm or if the screener has a doubt etc.

Disagree. No cars should be searched without warrant or probable cause.

Disagree. It is no one's business why I am traveling. Anyone who thinks they need to know my reasons for travel can go to hell.

No one should ever have to ask permission to leave a country. Again, purpose of travel is no one's business but the traveler's.

Random harassment should never happen.

The TSA should have been destroyed long ago.

No thanks, waste of money.

Absolutely not. There is no need for this nonsense.

No one should ever receive haraSSSSment unless there is clear, probable cause to do so.

We're plenty safe. We don't need any of this additional nonsense in our lives and we should kick the scumbag organization called TSA out of our airports today.

That's about the only thing I can even come close to agreeing with you on.

Random harassment should never be used in a free society. Clear, probable cause should be the ONLY metric for additional harassment.

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But how does one define probable cause...?

We have decades of case law doing so in the U.S.

TSA's cause is more improbable or implausible, or simply impossible than probable anyway. :rolleyes::td:

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Exactly how does any of this improve security?? :confused::confused:

It will just make the US more miserable and pathetic than it already is. Eventually, with luck, no body will want to come hear so that the only people that we need to fear is us.

Damn, it's us whom I already the most.

Israel is many things, but it is not a role model.

"Probable cause is whatever I say it is!"

(Actual quote from a DC Police officer to me in 1986, just before he mugged me for the $30 in my wallet, which he split with his partner. There's a reason why they called "civil forfeiture" "robbery with a badge" back then.)

Whether you pissed off the screener or not (which is the standard barometer at TSA checkpoints).

Security at TLV should be seen as a warning of what we will all face every flight unless we change the direction airport security is moving in.

It is very time consuming, very intrusive and the actual standards are very poor. Although being ranked as the highest security risk I managed to take a mobile phone through security without it being checked at all. Another time I went through the WTMD which beeped but as no one was paying attention to me I just carried on.

PROBABLE CAUSE - A reasonable belief that a person has committed a crime. The test the court of appeals employs to determine whether probable cause existed for purposes of arrest is whether facts and circumstances within the officer's knowledge are sufficient to warrant a prudent person to believe a suspect has committed, is committing, or is about to commit a crime.

That is because nobody here really gives a damn if you are carrying a mobile phone. You could also take as much liquid through as you want.

The fact is that a trained terrorist could kill a number of people on a plane without having a single weapon on him. On the other hand, a person who has no bad intent could be carrying a pistol without creating any danger.

Hence Israel does not spend its time looking for weapons but for terrorists.

Not only does your OP lack anything that would make people "safer," but the bolded portion above makes no sense.

Let's review it. You said "if passengers showed up earlier before a flight to be safe then it is worth it." Removing some of the prepositional phrases, your assertion boils down to "if people show up earlier, then it is worth it."

Huh? Seriously?

That lack of logic earns a failing grade.