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19103_aa Aug 14, 2009 5:00 am

The rigors of a "Screening Test."
 
As I went through the checkpoint yesterday at one of my favorite airports, a woman bypassed a long line of passengers waiting to send their bags through the xray. Instead, she walked behind the set of tables leading to the xray, placed a handbag in front of all the other bags, then walked all the way around and entered the metal detector after flashing her badge. The screener behind the xray monitor barked out the requisite code for a weapon. A supervisor came over, patted the screener on the back, then warmly greeted the so called screen test person (apparently they were old friends). After completingsome paperwork, everyone went on their merry way.

1) Is this REALLY the screening test TSA performs to ascertain the quality of screening?
2) What logic does it make for the screen test person to be so obvious?

IslandBased Aug 14, 2009 5:34 am

Does that gun count on the weekly report?:rolleyes:

Superguy Aug 14, 2009 5:51 am


Originally Posted by PHLbuddy (Post 12224584)
As I went through the checkpoint yesterday at one of my favorite airports, a woman bypassed a long line of passengers waiting to send their bags through the xray. Instead, she walked behind the set of tables leading to the xray, placed a handbag in front of all the other bags, then walked all the way around and entered the metal detector after flashing her badge. The screener behind the xray monitor barked out the requisite code for a weapon. A supervisor came over, patted the screener on the back, then warmly greeted the so called screen test person (apparently they were old friends). After completingsome paperwork, everyone went on their merry way.

1) Is this REALLY the screening test TSA performs to ascertain the quality of screening?
2) What logic does it make for the screen test person to be so obvious?

You should ask that at PV and see what kind of response you get. I think I know how it'll go though. :rolleyes:

sbm12 Aug 14, 2009 6:08 am

LEO?

What makes you think this was someone testing the screener?

We Will Never Forget Aug 14, 2009 6:13 am

It was probably just a local test, which has nothing to do with the Red Team.

HSVTSO Dean Aug 14, 2009 6:15 am


Originally Posted by We Will Never Forget
It was probably just a local test, which has nothing to do with the Red Team.

Agreed. Though I've never heard of them using a gun in a local test bag, before. Of course, it's not conclusive that there was a gun, either.

19103_aa Aug 14, 2009 7:11 am


Originally Posted by sbm12 (Post 12224763)
LEO?

What makes you think this was someone testing the screener?

Because after all the hello, how are yous, the woman turned around and walked back out to the exit area.

LoganTSO Aug 14, 2009 8:49 am


Originally Posted by HSVTSO Dean (Post 12224793)
Agreed. Though I've never heard of them using a gun in a local test bag, before. Of course, it's not conclusive that there was a gun, either.

We have guns up here in Boston, former handguns which have been rendered inert by sealing everything up... barrel, chamber, slide.

Everything from semi-autos to derringers, I've seen.

However, the test form has a check block if the STSO observed that the TSO was aware of the test.

Tom M. Aug 14, 2009 9:19 am


Originally Posted by LoganTSO (Post 12225427)
However, the test form has a check block if the STSO observed that the TSO was aware of the test.


Amazing, absolutely amazing....

If they are aware of the test, it isn't a test. At best it is training.

Is there a check block if the STSO decides not to check the check block that the TSO was aware of the test, even though the TSO was aware, to make it appear that the TSO passed the "test"?

Boggie Dog Aug 14, 2009 9:57 am


Originally Posted by We Will Never Forget (Post 12224784)
It was probably just a local test, which has nothing to do with the Red Team.

Or it could be a test with the outcome predetermined.

What better way to improve screening scores?

LoganTSO Aug 14, 2009 10:21 am


Originally Posted by Tom M. (Post 12225571)
Amazing, absolutely amazing....

If they are aware of the test, it isn't a test. At best it is training.

For the most part that's what these are for... training purposes. Now if it's local ATI/STAN team (at least' that's we call the standardization trainers) their tests are going to be a bit more hard and if you fail to catch it... you're yanked off the x-ray and sent to be re-trained.


Is there a check block if the STSO decides not to check the check block that the TSO was aware of the test, even though the TSO was aware, to make it appear that the TSO passed the "test"?
No.

Tom M. Aug 14, 2009 10:30 am

Does anyone know if the TSA will send employees through the new "strip search" machines with weapons "artfully concealed" on their bodies for training purposes or testing?

Bart Aug 14, 2009 3:44 pm

*****

Superguy Aug 14, 2009 3:48 pm


Originally Posted by Bart (Post 12227404)
Red Teams and TSIs don't test in this manner. Without knowing all the facts, looks to me like it was a training exercise.

I don't see anything wrong with this.

If the exercise is to train the screener in weapons detection, making it obvious with the actions the OP stated makes the exercise a lot less meaningful. The way that it was handled, the screener would have had to have been completely dense to miss the fact that something MIGHT be out of the ordinary.

If the purpose was to test screener for training purposes (not for statistical or Red Team type tests), it was an epic fail. Can't emulate the real world with something that obvious.

We Will Never Forget Aug 14, 2009 4:28 pm


Originally Posted by Boggie Dog (Post 12225783)
Or it could be a test with the outcome predetermined.

What better way to improve screening scores?

My sources tell me it doesn't change anything, that these scores aren't sent to DC.


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