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txrus Jul 22, 2009 8:02 am


Originally Posted by greentips (Post 12103632)
Then again, if we do, then people will just resort to donkeys.



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mikeef Jul 22, 2009 9:51 am

I can't wait until the TSA takes this over and starts to use the "Your luggage is too big, go check it..." excuse as punishment when someone fails to respect their authoritah. I have no doubt that each employee will be empowered to refuse any piece of luggage for any reason he/she sees fit.

Mike

Dovster Jul 22, 2009 10:15 am

This bill was introduced by Rep. Dan Lipinksi, D-IL.

Chicago voters please remember this name and get rid of this person during the next primaries or, failing that, in the general election.

flightattendantsteve Jul 22, 2009 5:17 pm

Association of Flight Attendants-CWA Supports Carry-on Limitation Bill

Washington, DC - The Association of Flight Attendants-CWA (AFA-CWA) today announced support for a bill introduced in the United States House of Representatives by Rep. Daniel Lipinski (D-IL) that seeks to set one enforceable standard for all bags carried onboard U.S. commercial aircraft. The Securing Carry-On Baggage Act, H.R. 2870, would create a universal size requirement for carry-on bags instead of allowing each carrier to determine its own size requirements. The bill also requires that restrictions be enforced at screening locations through use of a template.

"We applaud Representative Lipinski for his strong leadership on this issue and for his responsiveness to our members' pleas for help in fixing this exploding problem. The lack of uniformity in carrier programs and effective enforcement makes carry-on baggage a multi-faceted problem onboard aircraft today," said Patricia Friend, AFA-CWA International President. "Current programs to control the weight, size, number and contents of carry-on bags are inconsistent, inadequate, confusing and outdated. Passengers must navigate a maze of carry-on baggage programs that differ at each airline while flight attendants continue to have to settle overhead bin disputes and are often times injured by items that do not meet current guidelines."

Current standards for carry-on baggage were established more than a decade ago when passengers brought far fewer items on board with them. Checked baggage fees, implemented by airline management recently, have drastically increased the amount of luggage being brought into the aircraft cabin. The revised guidelines will expedite the security screening and boarding processes and ultimately result in fewer delays.

The proposed bill would allow items 22 inches by 18 inches by 10 inches or smaller in the aircraft cabin. The bill also requires that the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) install and utilize a template with depth and width limitations that would prevent items that exceed the prescribed dimensions from passing through the conveyor belt.

For over 60 years, the Association of Flight Attendants has been serving as the voice for flight attendants in the workplace, in the aviation industry, in the media and on Capitol Hill. More than 50,000 flight attendants at 20 airlines come together to form AFA-CWA, the world's largest flight attendant union. AFA is part of the 700,000-member strong Communications Workers of America (CWA), AFL-CIO

RadioGirl Jul 22, 2009 6:02 pm


Originally Posted by Association of Flight Attendants-CWA (Post 12108275)
The revised guidelines will expedite the security screening and boarding processes and ultimately result in fewer delays.

I don't think that word means what you think it means. ;)

Giving TSA one more thing to do at the checkpoint (when they're still, for instance, trying to cope with all them tricky IDs) is a guarantee of longer, slower lines at checkpoints.

jkhuggins Jul 22, 2009 6:47 pm


Originally Posted by AFA-CWA
The revised guidelines will expedite the security screening and boarding processes and ultimately result in fewer delays.


Originally Posted by RadioGirl (Post 12108460)
I don't think that word means what you think it means. ;)

Inconceivable! ;)


Originally Posted by RadioGirl (Post 12108460)
Giving TSA one more thing to do at the checkpoint (when they're still, for instance, trying to cope with all them tricky IDs) is a guarantee of longer, slower lines at checkpoints.

I think the logic behind the argument is as follows. If passengers know that they're really going to have to follow the "one-plus" rule, then the most obnoxious violators of that rule will have to start checking bags, thereby reducing the number of bags brought through security. And having to process fewer bags will, hopefully, allow the screening of bags to proceed faster than it is now.

Having said that, I'm not sure that I want TSA doing this. Enforcing the size and number of carry-on bags seems marginally related, at best, to TSA's core mission of protecting the nation's transportation systems.

n4zhg Jul 22, 2009 6:58 pm


Originally Posted by mikeef (Post 12105954)
I can't wait until the TSA takes this over and starts to use the "Your luggage is to big, go check it..." excuse as punishment when someone fails to respect their authoritah. I have no doubt that each employee will be empowered to refuse any piece of luggage for any reason he/she sees fit.

Testosterone is the problem.

Double orchidectomies are the solution.

(This smiley deliberately left out)

ElPasoPilot Jul 22, 2009 7:03 pm


Originally Posted by flightattendantsteve (Post 12108275)
Association of Flight Attendants-CWA Supports Carry-on Limitation Bill

Well, duh, of course they do. (no offense, Steve).

Keeps the airline and FA from being the bad guys. It's much easier to say it's the government that's making you pay to check that bag. Revenue without repercussion.

I'm not saying I like the crush of carryons -- but the TSA is the last party I want to give more power and scope creep to.

Stupid proposal.

DillMan Jul 22, 2009 7:43 pm

Oh wow. I just puked in my mouth a little. I seem to be doing that more and more in response to civil liberty eroding news lately.

Land of the Free? Are we really at the point where we have a damn law governing the bags we can take on transportation provided by a privately owned firm? This has to be a joke.

Just because you don't like waiting in line at security because some bozo is loading his 18 carry-ons on the belt doesn't mean the government has to get involved. The Founding Fathers did not say, "Hey!!! Let's create a system of government whereby the people can legislate their way to an annoyance free existence!" I get angry when people take more than 10 items in the express line at the grocery store (those 2 times a year I actually enjoy the luxuries of being home long enough to justify groceries), but I sure don't want to see a law passed that express checkout lines are universally limited to 10 items.

Let me say it again clearly for all those out there that seem to have forgotten civics. Government is not here to legislate every single annoyance in or impact on your life. Sure carry-on bags can be a problem at the airport. Get over it or write a letter to the airline. Just like the 1,850 things that annoy and/or impact me everyday, you too can just move on. Do not impact my right to make a deal with American Airlines to bring 15 bag with me on my next flight. They are a privately owned company and I am a private citizen. Government has no part in this equation.

This is like living science fiction. Seriously.

Global_Hi_Flyer Jul 22, 2009 8:24 pm


Originally Posted by ElPasoPilot (Post 12108714)
Well, duh, of course they do. (no offense, Steve).

Keeps the airline and FA from being the bad guys. It's much easier to say it's the government that's making you pay to check that bag. Revenue without repercussion.

I'm not saying I like the crush of carryons -- but the TSA is the last party I want to give more power and scope creep to.

Stupid proposal.

And, well, the rule doesn't apply to them. Just like the war on water.

This kind of crap is why unions have a bad name.

bocastephen Jul 22, 2009 9:26 pm

Does anyone know which organizations are trying to combat this bill? I'd like to volunteer some time and effort to help them defeat it.

I'd send an email to this jacka$$ politician, but I'm not in his district, so his office won't care.

There has to be some group out there gearing up to fight this stupidity.

DevilDog438 Jul 22, 2009 9:44 pm


Originally Posted by bocastephen (Post 12109253)
Does anyone know which organizations are trying to combat this bill? I'd like to volunteer some time and effort to help them defeat it.

I'd send an email to this jacka$$ politician, but I'm not in his district, so his office won't care.

There has to be some group out there gearing up to fight this stupidity.

You can still write your Congress-critters and let them know your feelings on the bill.

While sitting in the hotel here in Tampa, found that the Bill is currently in the House Subcommittee for Transportation Security and Infrastructure Protection. The members of that Subcommittee are:
  1. Sheila Jackson-Lee, Texas, Chairwoman
  2. Peter DeFazio, Oregon
  3. Charles W. Dent, Pennsylvania (Ranking Member)
  4. Eleanor Holmes Norton, District of Columbia
  5. Daniel E. Lungren, California
  6. Ann Kirkpatrick, Arizona
  7. Pete Olson, Texas
  8. Ben Ray Lujan, New Mexico
  9. Candice S. Miller, Michigan
  10. Emanuel Cleaver, Missouri
  11. Steve Austria, Ohio
  12. James A. Himes, Connecticut
  13. Peter T. King, New York (Ex Officio)
  14. Eric J. J. Massa, New York
  15. Dina Titus, Nevada
  16. Bennie G. Thompson, Mississippi (Ex Officio)

I_Can_Fly_US_Airways Jul 22, 2009 10:00 pm

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Originally Posted by DFW_Airwolf (Post 12100247)
Actually I believe this would make TSA's job easier in fact. Carry-on screening is one of the bottlenecks in any airport currently. It is far easier, cheaper & faster to screen checked luggage than it is to try & rush through the carry-on screening while someone stands there.

It's obvious you don't travel very much cause if you did there is NO way you would endorse the TSA doing anything more. As a matter of fact you be wanting to dis-band the TSA & hand the job over to trained LEO's. NEVER have I seen such incompetence & stupidity as in the TSA.

Think I am kidding? Do a survey of business owners & ask them how many of them would hire anyone they ever encountered that work for the TSA...

greentips Jul 22, 2009 11:14 pm


Originally Posted by txrus (Post 12105405)

I'm tellin' ya, it's coming. Last week in Detroit an apparently new driver managed to blow up a bridge on a major artery. They are probably rapidly clipping the Detriot News articles now so they'll be prepared when they issue the next SD to include the requirement for pre-clearance to the grocery store in the mom-mobile.

http://www.detnews.com/article/20090...RO02/907170379

bocastephen Jul 22, 2009 11:27 pm

I fired off a couple emails tonight, including a scathing one to the moron Lipinksi himself, and yes - I outright accused him of accepting campaign 'bribes' in exchange for this legislation as a tool to boost checked bag fee revenue, the cost of which United just conveniently increased.

I would like to find evidence that he accepted contributions from either United or another major air carrier during the past 1-2 years - and then I would like to petition the House Ethics Committee to review the connection between these contributions and legislation designed to enrich the contributor at the expense of the public to see if any laws were violated.


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