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Curiouser and curiouser.
If the airlines want this, then drink of the newest hemlock deeply.

Right now, I am using private aircraft for trips of 500 miles. Aside from the cost of learning to fly, it is rapidly becoming more economical to travel by air this way, or by driving.

By the time you figure a 45 minute drive to the major airport, 15 minutes to park, 1 hour (recommended at least) for TSA follies, and a 300 mile trip, claiming luggage, because you are not allowed to carry on anything, paying for checked baggage, you are looking at 3.5 hours for a trip. And that is on the airline's schedules. Add to that the ambiguity of TSA searches/secret ambitions, it begins to look a little more interesting.

A small airplane will take you 10 minutes to get to a smaller airport, 5 minutes to load up, 2.5 hours to get you to your destination, with your luggage, pen-knife, tools, or 4 foot machete in your possession, with your shoes on or off as you see fit. About the same time, and the cost, comparable, less if you bring passengers whom you know and trust with you. Then the cost/passenger is probably lower than the airlines. And if your meeting is delayed, or runs over, the airplane won't leave without you.

Learning to fly, $5500
Renting an airplane, $100/hr (including gas)
Avoiding the TSA, Priceless....for everything else there's MC.

Something to think about.

I know the aircraft you’re renting is below 12,500 MTOW, but the TSA has been itching to get its tentacles on GA. LASP is just the nose of the camel under the tent flap.

There is no such thing. The TSA issued guidelines and said that most of the time laptops in bags that meet those guidelines would be OK without being removed. But they are not certifying individual manufacturers or product lines as TSA-approved or TSA-endorsed.

Those same guidelines also have the standard TSA "get out of jail free" phrasing:
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Bingo.

The government needs to get their butt out of private business and interstate commerce in this case.

Rep Lipinski (D-IL - Chicago) wouldn't happen to be in UNITED's district - or a nearby district with a United presence .. and how much did he receive from United in contributions?

This so-called law is something United has been pushing for. More checked bags = more money.

Previously, United had templates installed over x-ray machines in terminals they used .. even when shared with other carriers. IIRC, Continental sued United over these templates at the x-ray machine and won.

Ironically the one of the most liberal carry-on policies is with Southwest.

Something stinks with this bill.... guess it isn't called Crook County for nothing.

Rep Lipinski apparently had nothing better to do.
It has no co-sponsors, won't go anywhere.

I always use one Travelpro 21. Back when they had templates on, I had to push down the expandable side for it to go thru.

But if it did pass, everyone should mail their old invalidated carryon to Lipinski, and then fully deduct new carryon from their taxes.

(BTW, CAL increased check rates)

First off Congress needs to get out of this now, just as they need to get out of baseball drug use, college football play off issues and many other things that is not a concern of government.

Heck, they already pass bills that are unread and cast votes on bills with unknown content.

From a safety point of view, with all the items stuffed into overhead bins in airplanes just hope your never in an accident or severe turbulence because that stuff is coming out and falling on heads. The latches on those bins will not retain the contents in the bins.

This is an airline and FAA issue, not congress or any other group. Especially not the TSA.

Reasons why the TSA should not be involved in this:
 

1. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trave...d-threads.html

2. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trave...a-website.html

3. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trave...ta-liquid.html

4. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trave...-response.html

The last thing we need is more TSA-sponsored chaos @ the checkpoints.

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I couldn't agree more. Some of these bills that are so large that they don't read them, items get inserted at the 11th hour, yet our elected officials vote on these bills - typically packed full of pork and money for special interests. It's disgusting.

There are many areas congress has no reason to be in, this is yet another area.

I've seen overhead bins pop open in turbulence and hard landings - I've even seen the interior overhead paneling come off on a few flights, exposing the ducts and electrical lines up above.

While it is a "safety" issue, it sure as heck isn't a "security" issue.

As it stands, I believe airlines come up with their own carry-on procedures and then submit them to the FAA for approval.

What is acceptable for a carry-on can vary quite a bit from carrier to carrier.

IF any changes were to be made, I believe it needs to be done between the airlines and the FAA. Size restrictions are already in place and it is up to the air carrier, not the federal government, to enforce such rules.

IF is needs to be addressed for a safety reason, IMHO the weight of the carry-on should be taken into account - but that is between the air carriers and FAA ... not congress, not the department of homeland security, and sure as heck not the TSA :td:

Not just LASP. They're looking at boats now too. Soon you will have to ask TSA for permission to put to sea in a sloop, at least according to Janet. The problem is the TSA is not just the nose of the camel at this point, the whole head is in the tent and more is following it in.

After they get the micromanagement regulations in place, how long before trains? automobiles?

Potential proposed new law: Require advance notice of trip from garage to grocery store by automobile, listing names of all passengers with RealID license numbers and await government permission to depart, including time of departure, time of trip, estimated time of arrival at grocery store in case there is need of TSA inspection at the entrance to the grocery store parking lot. $5000 penalties if you don't file, file late, mis-type the REALID number, arrive early, arrive late, etc.

After all, more cars with suspicious people have blown up more civilians and soldiers than airplanes have.

I say we will not be safe until every trip and every passenger is approved! (Of course, it might make hitchhiking more difficult.) This must be accomplished at once. Skip the Administrative Procedures Act, just issue the SD. Keep us safe, I say!!!!!

Then again, if we do, then people will just resort to donkeys.

uh oh. I hope I haven't given them a new idea.

I don't think the general public knows how close to fully implementing this in private aviation TSA is. Nor how bad TSA wants it to be so. If they hadn't had their hand slapped a few times this year already, it likely would have already been done.

We jump through hoops the every day Joe in his SUV would never tolerate.

Maybe the "4 foot machete in your possession" is for detering the camel's nose?

I think you guys have got the wrong end of the camel. ;)

Fast forward to FT/TS&S 2014: "Where in the Constitution does it say that riding a donkey is a right? It's a privilege!" :rolleyes: