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Originally Posted by RichardKenner
(Post 11867714)
Why would people agree to a completely optional search?
[*]I.e. one where there is no way to leave the airport after exiting customs other than to go through the screened area. Unfortunately, such airports are common in the US. |
Originally Posted by AngryMiller
(Post 11868115)
So sit down, open a book and begin reading like one poster recently did. Wait for the police to show up and to give you a ride to the curb side. This, shows how institutional insanity, drives regulations.
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Originally Posted by Wally Bird
(Post 11868472)
Yup, SEA used to have this nonsense years ago at the S. satellite. I refused the search and the TSA drone threatened to call the police, to which I agreed. The airport cops (ptooey!) arrived, gave me the "security spiel" and some empty threats but in the end had no option but to escort me through the back door. Boy, were they pissed. Tee-hee ^
Congratulations on winning that one. |
"Do you want to not fly today?"
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Originally Posted by Mats
(Post 11868342)
What if you decline the search? I don't THINK there's anything they can really do, but I suppose that your unwillingness to be searched would create probable cause, thereby justifying a required search.
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Originally Posted by B747-437B
(Post 11867333)
EU regulations require segregation of pax originating outside the EEC. Due to the layout of the KEF terminal (where "swing" gates can be converted from Schengen to non-Schengen), the only way to exit a non-EEC gate is to pass via the EEC concourse and its security check.
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Originally Posted by Aviatrix
(Post 11870247)
other airports have made the necessary alterations... why not KEF? It can't be that onerous to construct an extra passageway that would enable arriving passengers to exit the building without passing through the sterile area...
Also, the non-Schengen gates and the immigration checkpoint are located right at the end of the terminal - the furthest point away from baggage claim. Considering that no more than 5% of passengers are originating from a non-EU destination and terminating in KEF (versus transfering at KEF which would require a security check anyway or originating at an EU airport in which case Duty Free in sealed bags would be acceptable), there really isn't a significant constituency to justify it. |
Originally Posted by RichardKenner
(Post 11867714)
You miss the point. This is an administrative search. That means the passenger must be able to decline the search. If I decline a search on the way to an aircraft, the consequences are that I'm not allowed to fly. This is legal because there is supposedly no right to fly. But what are the consequences if I decline such a search on arrival? I'm not permitted to go home? Unlike flying, I do have a right to go home: I cannot be forced to be searched in order to be able to go one (once I've cleared Customs). Why would people agree to a completely optional search?
I'm sure you could refuse the search. But you would have to wait around for LEOs to come and escort you out of the airport. You also might have your record documented so that on future trips you would get SSSS treatment every time. Not worth it, IMHO! |
Originally Posted by eyecue
(Post 11867048)
THis is called reverse screening and it is most likely done when something gets by the outbound security screening. If the item is not recovered then the airplane gets searched.
Before 9/11™ or even TWA 800, experienced this on UA FCO-MIL-IAD. The stop in Milan was supposed to be 20 minutes, barely long enough to load pax for the transatlantic leg. (No one then paid U.S. carrier prices just to go FCO-MIL.) Instead, we were told to exit the plane as rapidly as possible, bringing all carry-on with us. Exiting was not rapid, because some kind of LEOs were running all carry-ons through an x-ray set up in the jetway right outside the plane, clearly not its regular location. Two hours and a gate change later, we were back on the same 747—too many pax to tell if anyone was missing. Much speculation about bank robbers/jewel thieves/etc. but we never found out. If there's a specific reason, and warrant or equivalent, to do this to catch a bad guy I have no objection. For random "because we can" snipe hunts, I do. |
Originally Posted by ESpen36
(Post 11871139)
I'm sure you could refuse the search. But you would have to wait around for LEOs to come and escort you out of the airport. You also might have your record documented so that on future trips you would get SSSS treatment every time. Not worth it, IMHO!
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Originally Posted by ESpen36
(Post 11871139)
I'm sure you could refuse the search. But you would have to wait around for LEOs to come and escort you out of the airport. You also might have your record documented so that on future trips you would get SSSS treatment every time. Not worth it, IMHO!
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Originally Posted by ESpen36
(Post 11871139)
You also might have your record documented so that on future trips you would get SSSS treatment every time. Not worth it, IMHO!
Opinions differ (obviously) on what is "worth it". |
Originally Posted by flyphilrun
(Post 11867749)
When I used to live in Senegal, Dakar airport introduced "security screening" after baggage collection. Everyone had to put their suitcases and handluggage through a huge scanning machine.
Originally Posted by flyphilrun
(Post 11867749)
Also at about the same time, a number of arrivals at CDG were accompanied by passport spotchecks at the door of the plane on disembarking. Don't know if this is only done on flights originating in Africa, but I certainly have never experienced it off any other flight arriving in CDG. It considerably slows down the disembarking, I can tell you, as they are extremely fastidious in their inspection of every single passport.
My suspicion on this is that the process has more to do with stopping illegal immigration than any security measure, but who knows? |
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i always thoufght after Customs you just go through one way doors to the greeting area.
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