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Trollkiller May 6, 2009 11:55 pm

Assisting Law Enforcement
 
WOW, the TSA is not even trying to hide their Junior G-man fantasies.

http://www.tsa.gov/who_we_are/workfo...forcement.shtm

Looking through a couple of the cases even I could get them tossed on constitutional grounds.

http://www.tsa.gov/press/happenings/...te_police.shtm

Four days later, Expert BDOs Kim Kraynak and Dominick Candalore observed a passenger acting suspiciously. During screening, they discovered multiple IDs in the man’s wallet, along with numerous credit cards, some having different names. When questioned, the man became evasive. The officers, working with police, determined that one of the credit cards was stolen. The man was charged with theft of property.
Why were they reading the credit cards?

http://www.tsa.gov/weekly/021609.shtm#news5


When Alcock called for a search of the passenger's bin, Escobar began inspecting the items and noticed two wallets — one of which contained large stacks of credit cards with a name that did not match the man's boarding pass. She alerted Supervisory TSO Chris Coe, who discovered a driver's license with yet another name.
Once again why were they reading the credit cards?

LessO2 May 7, 2009 12:03 am

Wonder if the TSA will be disclosing exactly what their threat to aviation was.

Trollkiller May 7, 2009 12:08 am


Originally Posted by LessO2 (Post 11708883)
Wonder if the TSA will be disclosing exactly what their threat to aviation was.

If I were these guy's lawyers I would hammer that very question. I would also hammer the point that the TSOs are not trained nor is it their responsibility to determine a stolen credit card.

LessO2 May 7, 2009 4:08 am


Originally Posted by Trollkiller (Post 11708901)
If I were these guy's lawyers I would hammer that very question. I would also hammer the point that the TSOs are not trained nor is it their responsibility to determine a stolen credit card.

The party that should be presented with those questions is a Congressional Committee, in tandem with the information about TSA's poor ability to find the items they were hired to do in the first place.

Wally Bird May 7, 2009 4:15 am


Originally Posted by Trollkiller (Post 11708866)
Why were they reading the credit cards?

Because we the people, abetted by our elected representatives, let them.

halls120 May 7, 2009 6:37 am


Originally Posted by Trollkiller (Post 11708901)
If I were these guy's lawyers I would hammer that very question. I would also hammer the point that the TSOs are not trained nor is it their responsibility to determine a stolen credit card.

I've asked some friends in TSA Chief Counsel's office for their take on the legality of this kind of search.

To no surprise, they haven't gotten back to me yet. :rolleyes:

sailman May 7, 2009 7:10 am


Originally Posted by Trollkiller (Post 11708866)
WOW, the TSA is not even trying to hide their Junior G-man fantasies.

http://www.tsa.gov/who_we_are/workfo...forcement.shtm

Looking through a couple of the cases even I could get them tossed on constitutional grounds.

http://www.tsa.gov/press/happenings/...te_police.shtm


Why were they reading the credit cards?

http://www.tsa.gov/weekly/021609.shtm#news5



Once again why were they reading the credit cards?

What is conspicuously missing from the list of TSA assisted arrests on the TSA web site is the number, location and date of the TSA employees that have been arrested for theft of property, drug smuggling, etc.

mikeef May 7, 2009 7:27 am


Originally Posted by LessO2 (Post 11708883)
Wonder if the TSA will be disclosing exactly what their threat to aviation was.

He could have filed the edges on the credit cards and given the crew and pax some nasty paper cuts.

Mike

Bart May 8, 2009 5:25 am

*****

Wally Bird May 8, 2009 5:41 am


Originally Posted by Bart (Post 11715323)
I can understand how and why the search included the credit cards. I am truly amazed that the rest of you cannot.

You guys make me giggle.

I'm not surprised that you're amazed; or giggly.

I suppose that there is a one-in-a-million chance a passenger does have one of those razor-edged cards, so a "search" is arguably justified (In This Post 9/11 World, sigh), but you do not have to read what's on them to know they are not a threat to aviation.

Ah sorry, there I go again thinking the TSA should do what it was created to do; and nothing more.

gj83 May 8, 2009 5:46 am

Did I miss the story about Al Qaeda and credit card fraud or the Unabomber and credit card fraud?

I'm sure all the people in jail for credit card fraud would be happy to know they are more likely to take down a plane than people who do not commit CC fraud.

If the link is so obvious Bart, would you care to enlighten us?

goalie May 8, 2009 5:55 am


Originally Posted by Trollkiller (Post 11708866)
WOW, the TSA is not even trying to hide their Junior G-man fantasies.

http://www.tsa.gov/who_we_are/workfo...forcement.shtm

Looking through a couple of the cases even I could get them tossed on constitutional grounds.

http://www.tsa.gov/press/happenings/...te_police.shtm


Why were they reading the credit cards?

http://www.tsa.gov/weekly/021609.shtm#news5



Once again why were they reading the credit cards?

emphasis mine: because as Boggie Dog posted over here, "TSA has one aim only, to catch someone doing something even if it does not threaten transportation"

now as to the link you posted (http://www.tsa.gov/who_we_are/workfo...forcement.shtm), how come we don't see things like "alert tsa screener at denver nabs tsa screener trying to bring a gun to work" ;)

magellan315 May 8, 2009 7:01 am


Originally Posted by Bart (Post 11715323)
I can understand how and why the search included the credit cards. I am truly amazed that the rest of you cannot.

You guys make me giggle.

Then why don't you enlighten as to why it is done. Having had problems with identity theft no one short of a LEO gets to look in my wallet.

IslandBased May 8, 2009 8:04 am


Originally Posted by magellan315 (Post 11715640)
Then why don't you enlighten as to why it is done. Having had problems with identity theft no one short of a LEO gets to look in my wallet.

In my experience (limited) if a LEO asks to see ID (DL) they will ask you to remove it and hand it to them if it is in a wallet. Does this apply at checkpoints?
In other words, what gives them any right to paw through a wallet?

whirledtraveler May 8, 2009 8:18 am


Originally Posted by Bart (Post 11715323)
I can understand how and why the search included the credit cards. I am truly amazed that the rest of you cannot.

Well, maybe the difference is that I never watched McGyver. Credit cards are no more dangerous to aviation than CDs and they are allowed on board.


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