Originally Posted by 4444
(Post 11636578)
dumb question. do these machines also detect metal or is it just visual? what would stop someone from hiding a shank where one would usually hide such an item?
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Originally Posted by MKEbound
(Post 11636629)
All items. From the passport in a pocket, to the plastic shank in a bra. However, they don't scan the feet or INSIDE the body, therefor someone could still hid C4 up their butt! So you still have to take off your shoes, and a butt bomber could still do his dirty deed!
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Does anyone know what the rules are in European countries that utilize the machine? I know these machines are voluntary in the U.S., but what about those countries in the EU that use them?
BTW....a couple of people on another board wrote about going through the machines at AMS. They had no idea what they were. When I told them, they responded that they now felt sick about it. We must get the word out...although I fear, most Americans would bark like a dog and play fetch with TSA if they said it would protect them from "terryrists." BAHHHHHH!!!!!! |
Originally Posted by MKEbound
(Post 11636629)
All items. From the passport in a pocket, to the plastic shank in a bra. However, they don't scan the feet or INSIDE the body, therefor someone could still hid C4 up their butt! So you still have to take off your shoes, and a butt bomber could still do his dirty deed!
And TSA will count these two parallel layers as "working together". |
I think the contents of this link sums it up the TSA. I'd embed it, but I'd risk an IP and TOS violation.
http://despair.com/government.html |
Originally Posted by fbrown627
(Post 11638169)
Does anyone know what the rules are in European countries that utilize the machine? I know these machines are voluntary in the U.S., but what about those countries in the EU that use them?
BTW....a couple of people on another board wrote about going through the machines at AMS. They had no idea what they were. When I told them, they responded that they now felt sick about it. We must get the word out...although I fear, most Americans would bark like a dog and play fetch with TSA if they said it would protect them from "terryrists." BAHHHHHH!!!!!! Be sure those close to you also hear your statement. If 4 or 5 people hear you good, if they start talking amoung themselves even better. One step forward begins a long trip. |
Originally Posted by wr_schwab
(Post 11640513)
I think the contents of this link sums it up the TSA. I'd embed it, but I'd risk an IP and TOS violation.
http://despair.com/government.html This one too: http://despair.com/incompetence.html |
What about MMV and pacemakers?
Does anyone know if the MMV runs the same risk of interfering with pacemakers and defibrillators that the magnetometers do? In the past few months since surgery I've had about a dozen patdowns, and they sure range from cursory to quite the groping. The last thing I'd want on top of all that is a virtual strip-search.
Thanks for your help. |
Does anyone know if there is any type of device that would render this monstrosity inoperable? Surely there is a way to damage these machines!
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Originally Posted by TiggBro
(Post 11645401)
Does anyone know if the MMV runs the same risk of interfering with pacemakers and defibrillators that the magnetometers do? In the past few months since surgery I've had about a dozen patdowns, and they sure range from cursory to quite the groping. The last thing I'd want on top of all that is a virtual strip-search.
Thanks for your help. I thought doctors use to give their patients a little card declaring the patient shouldn't be exposed to radiation,etc. Contact your doc and find out, and also loudly complain why he didn't go over this with you prior to surgery. |
A MMW I wouldn't mind
I object to most of these primarily on subjecting us to unnecessary radiation, regardless of how low.
However there are totally passive ones being made, and actually are faster than the active ones. Could just see TSA buying a bunch of active ones, then scrapping them for newer ones shortly thereafter. http://www.rapiscansystems.com/rapis...escan-200.html Theres a pic of imaging in the datasheet link. |
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Originally Posted by Bart
(Post 11647091)
Not trying to change your mind; it's apparently already made up.
You are exposed to more radiation inside a passenger cabin during a 30-minute flight at cruising altitude than you are being scanned by these passive backscatter machines. As I understand it, passengers will have an option to either pass through the traditional walk-thru metal detector or through one of these backscatter machines. And, as always, you can choose a full-body pat-down instead of going through either one of these machines. But no matter what TSA does, there will always be a number of discontented individuals who find fault with any attempt to accommodate passenger needs or concerns. As to "discontented individuals who find fault" with TSA and the security theater, please tell me if we should blindly put our faith in TSA to protect us and our belongings? |
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Originally Posted by Bart
(Post 11647274)
I'm not the one who said that these machines expose passengers to additional radiation. Check fire, pilgrim.
You are exposed to more radiation inside a passenger cabin during a 30-minute flight at cruising altitude than you are being scanned by these passive backscatter machines. Passengers initially complained about all the physical contact required during the hand-wanding procedure. TSA revised its procedures by modifying how certain pat-downs were conducted; allowing more attempts at the walk-thru metal detector to give passengers more opportunities to successfully divest anything metallic that may trigger an alarm; and now has come up with a technology that virtually eliminates any need to physically pat down a passenger. Still, there are those who are determined to whine about one thing or another no matter what TSA does. By the way, this technology was prompted by customer complaints. Yes. You are discontented no matter what TSA does to accommodate you. Talking about you specifically, not you in general. Wear it, son. |
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