Originally Posted by msimons
(Post 11632569)
Think you'd be able to find where scanners are on the tsa blog, but no.
It would be a good question for them, if they wouldn't think it a security issue. A quick search found the following airports having them: SFO, MIA, ABQ, TUL, SLC, LAS, LAX, DEN, JFK, BWI, DFW,ORD, PHX, DTT, IAD, MSP International (sorry no specifics) Britain, Spain, Japan, Australia, Mexico, Thailand and the Netherlands Mind you there might be only one at an entire airport, or a trial was finished and the scanner was moved elsewhere, but its a start. If anyone wants to do a few MR's, could validate. |
Originally Posted by msimons
(Post 11632569)
Think you'd be able to find where scanners are on the tsa blog, but no.
It would be a good question for them, if they wouldn't think it a security issue. A quick search found the following airports having them: SFO, MIA, ABQ, TUL, SLC, LAS, LAX, DEN, JFK, BWI, DFW,ORD, PHX, DTT, IAD, MSP International (sorry no specifics) Britain, Spain, Japan, Australia, Mexico, Thailand and the Netherlands Mind you there might be only one at an entire airport, or a trial was finished and the scanner was moved elsewhere, but its a start. If anyone wants to do a few MR's, could validate. |
Are they going to deploy these to every airport? Somehow I doubt it. First they are very costly. Second, most airports are not designed for this type of equipment. CAT II, III, IV airports most likely cannot accommodate them, and they are not within their budget anyway. Some CAT I’s might be able to afford them, but if they are like my airport then they will never get them as the checkpoints are not designed for this type of equipment. We would need to remove a lane completely just to have the thing sit at the checkpoint. Remove a lane? NEVER going to happen.
Many CAT X airports might be able to afford them, but then again we run across the issue of site design. Most airports have been around since long before 2001, and were never designed for a TSA style checkpoint. Even DIA, a fairly new airport, might have some issues redesigning their checkpoints to accommodate the equipment. SO, take a breath people. You might see one, you might not. |
Yep you're right, TPA got one 10/08.
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Just going thru my notifications, I saw someone talking about going thru one at RIC pretty recently.
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Originally Posted by TSORon
(Post 11632876)
Are they going to deploy these to every airport? Somehow I doubt it.
* * * SO, take a breath people. You might see one, you might not. |
Originally Posted by msimons
(Post 11632569)
A quick search found the following airports having them:
SFO, MIA, ABQ, TUL, SLC, LAS, LAX, DEN, JFK, BWI, DFW,ORD, PHX, DTT, IAD, MSP. I declined being MMW'd; the screeners were reasonably polite about it, but clearly were not happy with having to perform a pat-down. When I told my travel partner to watch my belongings, the pat-down screener got a bit snippy stating "no one will touch your items." Had I been more quick-minded, I might have responded with "Sir, I think that you are doing that right now." |
If i recall the signs at TPA properly, they are the same sign that is on the TSA website seen here:
http://www.tsa.gov/blog/uploaded_ima...age-765954.JPG They have small standard/letter paper sized prints of that sign atop stanchion poles in the normal queue and over by the machine they have ones that are "poster" size. The image of the scan is only a few inches tall, even in that enlarged format. |
TSA's list of scanners
Sorry TSA does list them here:
http://www.tsa.gov/approach/tech/mwave.shtm as being at: Albuquerque International Sunport Airport Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport Baltimore/Washington International Thurgood Marshall Airport Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport Denver International Airport Dallas/Fort Worth International Airport Detroit Metro Airport Indianapolis International Airport Jacksonville International Airport McCarran International Airport Los Angeles International Airport Miami International Airport Phoenix Sky Harbor International Airport Raleigh-Durham International Airport Richmond International Airport San Francisco International Airport Salt Lake City International Airport Tampa International Airport Tulsa International Airport I googled TSA and body scanner, should of done imaging. |
My question to those who are refusing to "step this way" - are you seeing other people refuse also or are you a minority of 1?
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Originally Posted by doober
(Post 11633306)
My question to those who are refusing to "step this way" - are you seeing other people refuse also or are you a minority of 1?
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Originally Posted by clrankin
(Post 11631086)
My responses to these would be--
TSA: "It's easy." Me (in a loud voice): "It's also obscene, allows TSA agents to look at your NAKED body, and is a violation of my Constitutional rights." TSA: "We'll have to PAT YOU DOWN. That will take much longer." Me: "Make sure you use a male agent. And make sure he changes his gloves with a fresh pair-- out of a box, not his pocket. I've read the articles that talk about TSA agents HAVING SCABIES. Also make sure my carry ons stay in my view AND UNTOUCHED the entire time. I know that TSA agents STEAL from passengers and CANNOT BE TRUSTED." TSA: "It won't hurt you." Me: "I'm hurt every time my privacy is needlessly trampled upon and my Constitutional rights are violated. By the way, EXACTLY what tripped the need for this secondary search?" TSA: "What have you got to hide?" Me: "Plenty from your perverts who are sitting in another room, probably jacking off to the images of naked people they're seeing." As you can see, I'm ready and primed for confrontation with these idiots. IMO, the only way to fight this is in court. I don't think there has been any ruling on the reasonableness of airport searches, other than X-ray of bags and WTMDs. |
Originally Posted by doober
(Post 11631054)
It is becoming more and more apparent that signage at the virtual strip machine is totally inadequate to inform passengers of what they are letting themselves in for.
Originally Posted by doober
(Post 11631054)
Maybe USA Today could do a story on this without any input from the TSA......photos of the alleged signage and a reporter stopping pax in the "sterile" area who have gone through the machine to ask them if they know what happened and showing them a large sized picture of the strip search.
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The child porn angle is a good idea, but unfortunatley it wouldn't fly too far (no pun intended). You may get an Airport LEO to take a report, or even pull the screener inside for a chat, but it wouldn't go anywhere.
Keep in mind that since the law is very specific about sexual conduct or "lewd exhibition," images that simply contain nudity ("nature" pictures) are not considered child pornography in New York State. Also note that the age of a child is defined in New York State less than 16 (or 17) years of age Most other states and SCOTUS has also made similar ruilings to this extent,(ie. that album cover of the kid in the pool that Rolling Stone did a follow-up on when he turned 17 recently) although none involving when the photograph was taken under "color of authority" (TSA). I would think a better avenue would be a cut and dried 4th ammendment approach. SCOTUS, when addressing issues specifically enumerated in the constitution has generally taken a strict approach. The government must have a compelling interest, and the resulting search be done in the narrowest manner possible. see Arizona v. Grant(limiting searches of vehicles incident to arrest to instances involving unsecured arrestees and reasonable suspicion that evidence relating to the crime of arrest is found). It is totally possible SCOTUS will rule that since less invasive procedures work, that to attempt more invasive ones would be unreasonable. NOTE: I am not an LEO or an attorney, although I hope to be an LEO after my degree. |
dumb question. do these machines also detect metal or is it just visual? what would stop someone from hiding a shank where one would usually hide such an item?
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