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knotyeagle Mar 27, 2009 6:32 am


Originally Posted by tsadude1 (Post 11482694)
It appears your stance on this matter seems to be progressing in a strange manner. So your stating that you have armed yourself and lay in wait for someone to ask for an ID, is this correct?

Nope. Presenting my ID (and pilot certificates under FAR 61.3 (L)) to an authorized TSA representative is not the issue. A Federal Security Director in Melbourne (MLB) saying his TSA screeners can detain someone is what I can't seem to find the rules for.

I'm hoping that your training as a TSA screener (and now as a behavior detection whatever) at least had some legal reference as limits of authority and force. Or is it just make it up as you go along as your brethren in MLB, BNA, BDL, etc are doing.

By the way have you read FAR 61.3 (L)? It seems like if I am mowing my front lawn (not very aviation related) I still must have my pilot credentials and government photo ID on me. That one I have not figured out yet.

So back to the question, how does your Federal Security Director (not the one at MLB) want to find out the limits of search (and apparently detainment) of TSA screeners on airport operating areas?

Lumpy Mar 27, 2009 12:57 pm

How you gonna stop mission creep when the entire mission is controlled and manned by creeps?

knotyeagle Mar 27, 2009 1:36 pm


Originally Posted by Lumpy (Post 11485323)
How you gonna stop mission creep when the entire mission is controlled and manned by creeps?

Lumpy I'm going to have to admit that was better than even what I write in articles wit-wise.

tsadude1 Mar 28, 2009 7:12 am


Originally Posted by knotyeagle (Post 11483344)
Nope. Presenting my ID (and pilot certificates under FAR 61.3 (L)) to an authorized TSA representative is not the issue. A Federal Security Director in Melbourne (MLB) saying his TSA screeners can detain someone is what I can't seem to find the rules for.

The FSD did not refer to screeners, I believe the term was officers or agents. Big difference. Screeners dont detain (and will not ever attempt to detain), but the FAMs do, who can conduct playbook ops. If you would like to discuss this issue with an FSD, why not call one and I'm sure that something could be arranged, but please do it on your side of the state because the paperwork can be rather lenghty. I wish to add that I have already stated my opinion on this issue "This is the propbably the only time I will agree that this is really a stupid reg. I cant imagine the TSA even trying to enforce this. Places like Leadville are so way out there. How much $$$$ is going to be wasted on travel budget for compliance inspection? " so you are preaching to the choir.

N965VJ Jun 1, 2009 9:33 am


TSA Changes Restrictions On Transient Pilots

AvWeb.com
6-1-09

The TSA has enacted a new security directive (SD-8G) that means transient pilots flying into airports with commercial service will not need an airport badge or background check as previously required. The directive takes effect June 1 and instead requires pilots to "remain close to their aircraft" leaving it only for trips to and from the FBO or airport exit, according to AOPA. The TSA is expected to provide future guidance regarding self-fueling and emergencies. The new rules target transient pilots -- those pilots based at commercial-use airports who lease space or maintain a presence will still need to go through procedures and acquire a valid badge if they intend to roam the airport without an escort. Airports looking to avoid the badging will need to approve an alternative like an escort program to remain within the TSA's guidelines. The complication now appears to be what the TSA defines as an airport that offers commercial service and the fact that it hasn't yet released a list.
Linkage to the rest

Darkumbra Dec 24, 2010 10:26 am

When will those in charge (whoever they might be) wake up and realize that there is a rogue agency setting up shop in the homeland? One that recognizes no laws, no constitution, and no boundaries on their power?

Washington? We have a problem.


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