Originally Posted by Paolo01 (Post 11115936)

I think that we are making much ado about nothing. What got those pax safely onto their rescue ships was the calm and orderly egress without hysteria, after a controlled landing in the HUDSON river. If upon all violent motion stopping and the overwing doors being opened and the FA announcing that it was time to start deplaning, I really have no issue with someone pulling there bag stored underneath their seat out or even an overhead if it does not incite a riot or hinder deplaning. Now that bag may not make it all the way to rescue, but if having a carry on bag deflect the hysteria that could easily come with shock and being separated from one belongings, then I would say the seconds it would take to reach under your seat and grab your laptop bag is well worth it.

People do strange things when they are in shock. How you treat a person in shock is OFTEN the difference between life and death in traumatic situations. Sorry, but if some obnoxions lady went for the rear door, was stopped by the FA's. redirected up front and she grabbed her bag along the way, that is small potatos. If that is going to calm her down and get her safely off of the aircraft then YOU would be the idiot to try and spout some FAA reg at her and endanger all of the other PAX. Once on the liferaft or whatever, if there is on other room for additional PAX, then you may need to toss a carry on overboard, but until then, big deal. Get on with the business of helping others.

Originally Posted by sunnyjl (Post 11121659)

As a medical professional, I can assure you that someone in a state of physical and/or emotional shock would not be able to get up and retrieve their luggage from the OHB. These kinds of actions can cost precious seconds, and lives, including the offending pax. I wouldn't hesitate to take action.

Originally Posted by sunnyjl (Post 11121659)

As a medical professional, I can assure you that someone in a state of physical and/or emotional shock would not be able to get up and retrieve their luggage from the OHB. These kinds of actions can cost precious seconds, and lives, including the offending pax. I wouldn't hesitate to take action.

Originally Posted by sunnyjl (Post 11121659)

As a medical professional, I can assure you that someone in a state of physical and/or emotional shock would not be able to get up and retrieve their luggage from the OHB. These kinds of actions can cost precious seconds, and lives, including the offending pax. I wouldn't hesitate to take action.

Originally Posted by Paolo01 (Post 11122427)

I am NOT questioning your medical qualifications but I absolutely disagree with this statement. When a person is in shock, they default to all sorts of ingrained training or even habits. I have seen soldiers with severed limbs leave a MEDIVAC area because they realized a piece of their gear was still unaccounted for in a destroyed vehicle. I do not know how to explain that medically other than to say that they were in shock. I AM NOT A DOCTOR, so you may dismiss this as medically impossible.

For a civilian i would say that surviving an airplane mishap might create a similar state of shock. Just my opinion and not a medical one.

Originally Posted by sunnyjl (Post 11123268)

In that case, you're probably talking about blood loss, which could lead to disorientation from the resulting hypotension. Not the same thing.

At any rate, as far as the luggage lady, I stand by my statement that I would let her have it.

Originally Posted by law dawg (Post 11123516)

I believe you two are confusing medical shock with the common vernacular of "being in shock", which is generally being under the influence of adrenaline.

Or maybe I'm 100% wrong here. That happens a lot.

Originally Posted by law dawg (Post 11123516)

I believe you two are confusing medical shock with the common vernacular of "being in shock", which is generally being under the influence of adrenaline.

Or maybe I'm 100% wrong here. That happens a lot.

Originally Posted by GoGiants (Post 11121911)

Bolding mine.

3 extra seconds X 150 pax = 7.5 minutes!! I don't want to be on the end of that line in a burning plane.

Originally Posted by JBLUA320 (Post 11133847)

I gotta agree a $10k fine is justified for them. Or whatever the federal maximum is in this case. How else are you going to teach pax to actually take emergency instructions seriously, and not be selfish .....es? What if the plane had blown up while Ms. My stuff is so important was obstructing the exit?

Originally Posted by Centurion210 (Post 11135283)

Two instances of aircraft emergency that occurred to me come to mind...............well three actually.

The first was when I was on a USAF MAC flight in a C-130 from Incirlik to Izmir, Turkey. The cabin suffered explosive decompression and the flight crew initiated a screaming dive to 10,000 feet. No oxygen masks hence the over rapid descent. It took two weeks for my sinuses to catch up.

The second was when I was flying a friends Cessna 210 Centurion from Wichita where it had been re-engined to Manassas, VA. At 8,000 feet while descending and ten miles from my destination, the engine seized. I dead sticked it to my destination. Then suffered a case of the uncontrollable shakes for hours afterwards. The owner had a new oil Phillips X/C II oil that was later recalled because it was turning to sludge and locking engines. Phillips paid for a new engine.

The third was while departing McCarren International Airport in Vegas following the SHOT Show, the right engine in my T-310 suffered catastrophic failure at rotation. Turns out the crank, which I had replaced by Continental, was from a bad batch. The metallurgy was goofed up. Continental replaced the engine under warranty. Another bad case of the shakes.

Originally Posted by magellan315 (Post 11135304)

You are clearly a professional pilot with years of experience and you had direct control of the aircraft. Think about it from the perspective of a passenger on a commercial aircraft who may only fly a few times a year and has NEVER had this happen to them.

Originally Posted by Paolo01 (Post 11115936)

I think that we are making much ado about nothing. What got those pax safely onto their rescue ships was the calm and orderly egress without hysteria, after a controlled landing in the HUDSON river. If upon all violent motion stopping and the overwing doors being opened and the FA announcing that it was time to start deplaning, I really have no issue with someone pulling there bag stored underneath their seat out or even an overhead if it does not incite a riot or hinder deplaning.