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knotyeagle Jan 20, 2009 4:55 pm


Originally Posted by tsadude1 (Post 11111461)
Yes the horror of it all. Illegals streaming across the border which will cost them more than anything they can imagine. The horror indeed.

Any trouble getting your boarding passed printed lately tsadude1? Did you surrender your FAA certificates because the TSA can have them revoked anyway? Did you give yourself the mandatory security awareness training each year and document the fact that you reviewed with yourself all the wrong answers that you answered to yourself? Have $10k handy to pay for the fine when a TSA aviation security inspector searches your home and does not like the extent of your record keeping of how you did not have any training with non-US citizens?

I will always treat the TSA (and screeners and aviation security inspectors) in the same manner in which they treat me long before I get to the airport.

It is about time you learn how 800k US citizens who happen to have FAA certificates are treated by you.

tsadude1 Jan 20, 2009 5:23 pm


Originally Posted by knotyeagle (Post 11112105)
Any trouble getting your boarding passed printed lately tsadude1? Did you surrender your FAA certificates because the TSA can have them revoked anyway? Did you give yourself the mandatory security awareness training each year and document the fact that you reviewed with yourself all the wrong answers that you answered to yourself? Have $10k handy to pay for the fine when a TSA aviation security inspector searches your home and does not like the extent of your record keeping of how you did not have any training with non-US citizens?

I will always treat the TSA (and screeners and aviation security inspectors) in the same manner in which they treat me long before I get to the airport.

It is about time you learn how 800k US citizens who happen to have FAA certificates are treated by you.

1.No problem with boarding pass.
2.Still have my A&P.
3.More generic security awareness/safety/EO training than you could possibly imagine.
4. Record keeping in anything aviation has to be correct or you will be fined.


Airport TSOs have nothing to do with your issue. Sounds as if you created your own problem.

bdschobel Jan 20, 2009 5:29 pm


Originally Posted by oneofthosepeopleyouloveto hate (Post 11111390)
Abhorrent acts like asking people to take off their shoes and coats? Remove their laptops from their bags? Oh, the horror! ;)

You are highlighting the problem, probably without even realizing it! You believe that your acts as an employee of the TSA are not abhorrent -- or, at worst, are just mildly annoying. But actually what you do slowly but surely erodes our freedom, just as surely as the Colorado River makes the Grand Canyon just a little deeper every year. You don't notice the difference, but it's happening. Someone somewhere needs to say "Enough!"

Bruce

knotyeagle Jan 20, 2009 5:36 pm


Originally Posted by tsadude1 (Post 11112264)
1.No problem with boarding pass.
2.Still have my A&P.
3.More generic security awareness/safety/EO training than you could possibly imagine.
4. Record keeping in anything aviation has to be correct or you will be fined.


Sounds as if you created your own problem.

I missed the part where you give yourself a security awareness test and then grade it with yourself?

And I don't seem to recall where I applied to the TSA for my airman certificates. When exactly did I do that? My training records that the FAA requires are doing quite well. I document the training I do with clients to the extent of about 300 photos/day. Do you record your interaction with the fearful traveling public for review by your peers/supervisors?

Perhaps you should read the latest farce from your brethren at TSA headquarters who now have a traveling road show complete with troupes on why security procedures should include all aircraft >12,500 lbs. By any chance do you have to pay for 3rd party auditors to look at your security records/procedures?

When it starts coming out of your pocket let me know. Till then the greatest threat to aviation in this country is the TSA itself (and those TSA screeners & aviation security inspectors who like to make up the rules as they go along).

Please let me know when I can stop by TPA and give you the chance to try. I'll be at the southeast corner general aviation side and you can try and ask me for my pilot certificate.

If you like I'll stop by at Peter o'Knight (TPF) which might be a closer drive for you. I can be there in 1 hour, 45 minutes.

Ayn R Key Jan 20, 2009 6:00 pm


Originally Posted by Travellin' Fool (Post 11106653)
Right, because we all know that being a working citizen in America is such a disgrace. With the economic conditions we are in, it is a shame that American's have an attitude such as this. Some American's have such the wrong attitude. :td: to suggesting welfare vs. a job with the TSA.

From a libertarian point of view there is no difference. Both welfare and the TSA are in the non-productive side of the governmental-economic equation. Both receive their money through taxes (although ritual dictates that TSA employees return part of their tax salary to the government as taxes on their tax salary).

seoulmanjr Jan 20, 2009 6:26 pm


Originally Posted by oneofthosepeopleyouloveto hate (Post 11111390)
Abhorrent acts like asking people to take off their shoes and coats? Remove their laptops from their bags?

Oh, the horror! ;)

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/RL32664.pdf

http://theluggageblog.com/airlines_t...oyees-of-2008/

Shameful and unamerican.

peace,
~Ben~

tsadude1 Jan 21, 2009 1:40 am


Originally Posted by knotyeagle (Post 11112345)
I missed the part where you give yourself a security awareness test and then grade it with yourself? .

Yes, and it really serves no purpose


Originally Posted by knotyeagle (Post 11112345)
Do you record your interaction with the fearful traveling public for review by your peers/supervisors?.

Yes, as a BDO, our interactions with the pax are very detailed written reports and highly scrutinized by our peers/managers


Originally Posted by knotyeagle (Post 11112345)
Perhaps you should read the latest farce from your brethren at TSA headquarters who now have a traveling road show complete with troupes on why security procedures should include all aircraft >12,500 lbs. By any chance do you have to pay for 3rd party auditors to look at your security records/procedures?

When it starts coming out of your pocket let me know. Till then the greatest threat to aviation in this country is the TSA itself (and those TSA screeners & aviation security inspectors who like to make up the rules as they go along)


Paul I can understand your frustration but your issues with the inspectors is something that you will need figure out with the other operators and the FAA. Surely you are not the only one having these issues.Hopefully the new chief will have a little more common sense. http://www.sandiego6.com/news/nation...ZcGpNH1mQ.cspx

YCTTSFM Jan 21, 2009 2:42 am


Originally Posted by tsadude1 (Post 11114166)
Hopefully the new chief will have a little more common sense. http://www.sandiego6.com/news/nation...ZcGpNH1mQ.cspx

^^^

AirlineBrat53 Jan 21, 2009 7:18 pm


Originally Posted by tsadude1 (Post 11114166)
Yes, as a BDO, our interactions with the pax are very detailed written reports and highly scrutinized by our peers/managers

Personally I think the BDO's don't do much good at all. They carry their little clipboards (at LAX) and walk around looking like they want to scare people. Try to make small talk with the people in lines while they check out their facial expressions. They aren't around when the longest lines come through and were missing when the 2 lbs of cocaine fell out of the guys leg. He'd been standing in line looking hinky, jiggling his legs, and was secondaried. Tried to bribe the TSO and then injured him trying to escape while the local LEO's had their heads in the sand. He was arrested but there were no BDO's to document the incident.
All I saw was egos and attitudes.

airlinebrat

prophead5 Jan 22, 2009 7:12 am


Originally Posted by red456 (Post 11097530)
My son is currently jobless and without unemployment benefits. It was suggested to him that perhaps he could find a job with the TSA at EWR.

His response: He'd go on welfare or move in with his mother before he'd ever work for the TSA!

Way to go, son.

Thats real good. Nothing I like for than hearing about some lazy POS lounging around collecting welfare courtesy of my tax dollars. Way to go, you are an inspiration to us all.

Global_Hi_Flyer Jan 22, 2009 7:13 am


Originally Posted by tsadude1 (Post 11114166)
Yes, as a BDO, our interactions with the pax are very detailed written reports and highly scrutinized by our peers/managers

And therefore the mere interaction with a BDO can get one added permanently to the TSA/DHS list - with no way to ever see what's been recorded about them. Double-secret probation....

That doesn't seem very American, Comrade.

Spiff Jan 22, 2009 7:48 am


Originally Posted by prophead5 (Post 11121559)
Thats real good. Nothing I like for than hearing about some lazy POS lounging around collecting welfare courtesy of my tax dollars. Way to go, you are an inspiration to us all.

Did you say 'welfare' or 'workfare'?

At least the guy on the couch isn't destroying my civil liberties. @:-)

doober Jan 22, 2009 10:30 am

It would seem to me that it might cost us, the taxpayers, less for welfare than if he went to work for the TSA.


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