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ralfp Nov 17, 2008 6:32 pm


Originally Posted by HSVTSO Dean (Post 10767227)
This, however, is not the case when it comes to the authentication of IDs. On my Alabama DL, for instance, there are at least four different ways to authenticate it that don't involve the UV light. The UV light, however, is the easiest and fastest way. That doesn't mean that anyone who authenticates it with one of the other four methods is doing something wrong.

Make sense?

Sure, but it's not necessarily right to use another method either. It all depends on the details.

If one of the methods is inefficient or annoying, then it's probably wrong to use it. For example, if it takes 10 minutes to call the DMV to verify that the DL number is valid and matches the person, then it's probably 'wrong'.

HSVTSO Dean Nov 17, 2008 7:10 pm


Originally Posted by studentff
Fake IDs are not a threat to aviation.

We are in agreement there, sir.

As I've often said, I personally find the TDC procedures to be a waste of manpower and time. That, however, doesn't change the fact that I still have a job to do.


I'll have to go grab my passport and flip to the pages to get back to you on that one.
Sadly, anything you might get back to me on about what you might consider to be a possible security feature of the passport, I'll have to give you that "I can neither confirm nor deny" answer.

It's just something you're going to have to take me at my word on (which, by the way, I already know is probably going to be impossible given that I work for the TSA :p).


Originally Posted by ralfp
If one of the methods is inefficient or annoying, then it's probably wrong to use it.

Right you are, and I was thinking just that when I was writing out the A-B-C-to-get-to-D thing. Obviously I can't tell you specifically what it is, but method C for passport verification qualifies as the rough equivalent of the scenario you mentioned with the DMV. Although no phone calls would have to be made (at that point, anyway) it would still be way too time-consuming for general use at the TDC position. The only time I could even remotely think of an instance that I would utilize that particular method of authentication is if I was faced with a passport that struck me as fraudulent, and it'd likely be the last step I took before summoning a supervisor myself for LEO notification.

As you so eloquently put it...


It all depends on the details.

FliesWay2Much Nov 17, 2008 7:25 pm

One of the oldest authentication tricks in the book is the intentional error. I'll let it go at that. So, TSA, don't flatter yourselves, OK???

Wilbur Nov 18, 2008 8:28 am

Just to point out another feature of the uselessness of ID checks, twice this year I have used an expired and canceled passport to get by the security dragons.

I carry a current and an expired passport, as the expired passport contains a couple of multiple-entry visas that are still valid for several more years. They are in the same pocket of my case, so I usually pull them out together and hand over the current one.

Twice I have given them the old one, and they have performed the TSA magical passes upon it, marked my boarding card with the mystic TSA runes of passage, and then given both back to me.

Pointless exercise in tax-dollar waste.

SJCFlyerLG Nov 19, 2008 10:53 am


Originally Posted by HSVTSO Dean (Post 10767506)
Sadly, anything you might get back to me on about what you might consider to be a possible security feature of the passport, I'll have to give you that "I can neither confirm nor deny" answer.

It's just something you're going to have to take me at my word on (which, by the way, I already know is probably going to be impossible given that I work for the TSA :p).

This is nonsense. I have just reviewed by US passport issued in 2001. The first two pages contain my signature and ID data. Pages 2 through 6 contain disclaimer, warnings, and other drivel. Page 7 contains emergency contact data. Pages 8 though 45 are used for stamps and visas. Pages 46 through 48 are reserved for amendments - this might be what you are talking about, but it would hardly be SSI. The back page has a barcode - perhaps your eyes double as laser scanners?

BTW, I have used my passport exclusively as ID at airports since 2001, and no one, including the TSO's, has EVER flipped through the pages.

HSVTSO Dean Nov 19, 2008 7:24 pm


Originally Posted by SJCFlyerLG
This is nonsense. I have just reviewed by US passport issued in 2001. The first two pages contain my signature and ID data. Pages 2 through 6 contain disclaimer, warnings, and other drivel. Page 7 contains emergency contact data. Pages 8 though 45 are used for stamps and visas. Pages 46 through 48 are reserved for amendments - this might be what you are talking about, but it would hardly be SSI.

Listen to the music, not the song.


The back page has a barcode - perhaps your eyes double as laser scanners?
No, I'm not a Peruvian (let's see if anybody gets that reference~!).


BTW, I have used my passport exclusively as ID at airports since 2001, and no one, including the TSO's, has EVER flipped through the pages.
As I said, methods A, B, and C are all acceptable for getting to D. I just personally find B to be the quickest, most efficient method.

Trollkiller Nov 19, 2008 10:28 pm

Let me see if I can help Dean out.

When I had to check IDs for a place I worked, I found the quickest way to catch the majority of fake IDs was to look at the wording on the back. Heck a lot of them say in bold letters "Not a Government Issued ID" or to run the ID through a credit card machine. (slide it up not down) to see if the magnetic strip was real and if it had information on it.

It stands to reason that a forger would spend most of his time on the details of what is normally looked at. I have taken a few fake IDs that looked perfect on the face but the back had the wrong font, wrong wording, misspellings, or a disclaimer stating novelty use only.

If Dean knows of a quicker way to check the validity of a document by checking something other than the biography page he should use it.

At least that way he will make breaking the law a little more convenient on the victim. ;)

Before y'all beat up on Dean too much just remember he is one of the good guys that just happens to work for the TSA.

SJCFlyerLG Nov 20, 2008 1:53 pm


Originally Posted by HSVTSO Dean (Post 10780479)
Listen to the music, not the song.



No, I'm not a Peruvian (let's see if anybody gets that reference~!).



As I said, methods A, B, and C are all acceptable for getting to D. I just personally find B to be the quickest, most efficient method.

I am still calling shenanigans on you (and I think you do get that reference!)

oneofthosepeopleyouloveto hate Nov 20, 2008 3:04 pm


Just wondering how the TSA ID checkers are doing these days...do they seem slower? Faster now that they've settled in the position? How it's affecting the lines/available x-ray lanes, etc? (as compared to when they first began in 2007)
A few weeks into the current ID circus, I was called up to the supervisor's podium and reprimanded because I supposedly wasn't spending enough time checking IDs.

I didn't even bother to attempt to explain that a dozen or so years as an editor has endowed me with the ability to process written information very quickly (and accurately) ... I just slowed down. Wayyyyyy down! :p

Wally Bird Nov 20, 2008 3:19 pm


Originally Posted by oneofthosepeopleyouloveto hate (Post 10786115)
A few weeks into the current ID circus, I was called up to the supervisor's podium and reprimanded because I supposedly wasn't spending enough time checking IDs.

I didn't even bother to attempt to explain that a dozen or so years as an editor has endowed me with the ability to process written information very quickly (and accurately) ... I just slowed down. Wayyyyyy down! :p

So utterly asinine that it's actually funny.

oneofthosepeopleyouloveto hate Nov 20, 2008 4:14 pm

That's a pretty good description of my job, actually! :)

HSVTSO Dean Nov 21, 2008 7:38 pm


I am still calling shenanigans on you (and I think you do get that reference!)
You can call anything you want, you're still ignoring the music while paying too much attention to the song.

And I'm not going to be any more direct about it than that. ;)


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