Save a copy in case this guy wants to sue these morons.

It looks like the fashion police should have picked this guy up long ago.

Definitely not on this forum, but it is fun to generate the argument. Considering that this forum is a haven for TSA & LEO (or Barney Fife) insults and everyone seems to have the answers although few here have worked a day in their lives in the law enforcement/security arena, I figure why not stir the bucket a bit.

An ID check is a "lost liberty?"

Of course you don't care why someone is running from a checkpoint, unless it is your stolen bag he is running with, or a bomb strapped to him running towards you. The most important thing to you is making your flight. I'm sure you are the same one that moans and groans about anything LE does until you are the victim of some crime, then we are not doing enough.

Soooo, if Bin Laden himself came through the checkpoint without any prohibited items and/or weapons, TSA should just let him on through? :eek:
As mentioned with my other posts, to imply that TSA and everyone else in the transportation/safety/law-enforcement industry should put horse blinders on is ludicrous. "Well, here are pictures of chopped up people, a severed hand in the bag, and some blood splatter, but hey, it's not a threat on the plane, so why should they bother the passenger from rolling right through security." :rolleyes: God forbid us Americans be held up more than 28 seconds. There is a lot more going on in this world than most of the "complaints" that rage among this forum. Sometimes I'm astonished (and embarrased) that folks on here actually gripe about some of the things mentioned here. US Soldiers dying, massacres and genocide occurring within the globe, and we gripe about being selected for additional screening while whisking away to a beach somewhere. Yea, we have it really bad over here.

Yeah, I think so. Because he was steals all of personal items with blackberry, credit cards, identifications theft and others, too. I thinks ATL police will have more investigators for him. I'm sure if they will have figure out as his real verify identifications.

It's none of their business who he is. I don't think he's a thief any more than someone at the mall might steal something.

I despise the TSA and their ID policies. I sincerely hope that their actions cause their leaders to go to prison and their employees to never land a job again. I'd sooner hire a green kid out of college with a felony conviction before I'd ever hire someone who worked for TSA.

You bet it is. I should never have to show my ID to travel within the United States. Anyone who forces someone to show ID under such conditions is a filthy Communist who should be deported.

Nice unrealistic drama. I could get mugged in the mall. It's pretty darn unlikely to happen under the best of circumstances and an airport should be no different. These scummy checkpoints don't exist at the mall. They should be destroyed at airports. A bomb? give me a freaking break. Where the hell do you think you are, Gaza? Even there, it's such a remote possibility that people who would give up their liberty would be better off shacking up with Kim Jong Il. Such cowards make me sick. :td:

Yes, that is exactly what I am saying.

Someday, they will all be geldings, God willing.

Your examples show nothing but the ridiculous, indicating extreme cowardice.

28 seconds, 1 second. It's a damn disgrace. None of this sick harassment prevents anything and I hope those who participate in it share a fate more disgusting than those illegally incarcerated in Guantanamo.

What happens around the world is completely separate from the way that US citizens and guests are abused at checkpoints by filthy Communists. Nice drama again, though.

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If Bin Laden were properly screened, he would be no risk to the aircraft. Do you have a problem with that statement?


US Soldiers are dying to protect our way of life. Your hyperbole aside, we should not disrespect that sacrifice nor our Constitution.

Many of us are legitimately concerned that the Department of Homeland Security is seriously overstepping the bounds allowed of a government agency.

You argument that bad things are happening elsewhere in the world so we should turn a blind eye to the erosion of those beliefs we find most dear is, shall I say, distasteful. Though, of course, I defend your right to say it. :)

just as not all LEOs and TSOs are like you and our TSA/CATSA posters, not all of us make comments that group all of of these people into a negative light (if that makes sense--after rereading it, it doesn't look like it!)


yes, just as i'm sure you'd object to having to show some ID to walk down the street


no, but OBL is a wanted person, as are many of his associates. if he is in a US airport (or mall, grocery store, park, etc) and is recognized, then arrest him. this is america, innocent until proven guilty. if they're wanted by the feds or the military, then arrest them. if not, then allow them to fly. it's a slippery slope...we focus on bin Laden a lot...take Patti Hearst and her cronies. She robbed a bank (or banks), but we don't check everyone's ID that enters a bank.

you're right that there are many things wrong in both our country and across the world. however, this is flyertalk, not the united way or red cross. i doubt you'd take to kindly to me showing up at your next union meeting and raising that as a point when you discuss scheduling issues or the like:

"you guys are mad about scheduling. you shouldn't worry about it because of genocide in darfur"

Right. I'd bet you're absolutely right for him. Because they won't let him for searchable new job at all. If he will have more miserable life without search new job at all. If they found out who have criminal background checks. I don't think that mean it will not allows for someone hired at the jobs or college. I suggest if all employees must to be required to do fingerprinted screening. Its doesn't have more respectable when TSA found out someone gotten verify misidentify but, its does not exact match his birth date, sex and others, too. TSA will notifications to police immediately.

It's not just an ID check. There's no point in a general ID check unless it is accompanied by some sort of warrant/NCIC/blacklist check (or if only holders of a specific ID are allowed in, such as on a military base). TSA attempts to accomplish that indirectly by having the airline check the name against the (secret, unAmerican, no due-process means of redress) no-fly list with TSA then verifying that the boarding pass matches the person/ID. (Setting aside that with a fake boarding pass in your real name and a real boarding pass in your fake name, you can still bypass the no-fly list.)

Any sort of checkpoint that checks everyone passing by against a list is a dragnet. And yes, that's a lost liberty. Also known as a police state.

Americans don't (yet) tolerate such checkpoints in their neighborhoods on on the roads, and as a culture we have believed and our courts have ruled that they would be abhorrent. I don't see why an airport (or a train station, or a shopping mall, or a ballpark) should be any different.

Don't you get it? Maybe you like and trust Bush, or Obama, or McCain, or Hillary, or whoever is in charge now or might be in a few years. That's fine. But if these precedents for general dragnets are in place, it's incredibly easy for a future leader to decide that nobody who is Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, pro-abortion, anti-abortion, pro-war, anti-war, etc., can travel, or exit their neighborhood, or work. It's a very effective means of suppressing dissent and expression and of intimidating a population into submission.

This sort of concern is exactly why a bunch of US soldiers died in a seemingly-forgotten war in the 1700s. Many of their graves are not far from where I live. We still respect them enough to decorate their headstones; why not give them more honor by respecting the ideals for which they fought?

As for massacres and genocide, these sorts of ID-check, papers-please dragnets are exactly what enable them. Isn't it a shame that we're letting our freedoms be destroyed at home while our troops are overseas fighting for them? That failure is arguably one of those at home. When the troops do come home, will they recognize the place to which they return?

My View FWIW, on the State of America, 2008
 

To those here who don't understand why the Objectors are making such a big deal about the DHS programs to turn this into a "Papers Please" state:

1. George Santayana: Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

2. Pastor Martin Niemöller, concentration camp inmate 1937-1945, said it for us:

"In Germany, they came first for the Communists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist;

And then they came for the trade unionists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a trade unionist;

And then they came for the Jews, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew;

And then . . . they came for me . . . And by that time there was no one left to speak up."

3. Put 1 and 2 together and it is simple. There is no such thing as "it's just a minor inconvenience and minor loss of freedom in the USA, just go along with the program like a good little sheeple." See (2) above. How many million non objecting sheeple got a trip in a cattle car?

When it appears to be the beginning of a pattern by the government intent on throwing out the Constitution and installing a totalitarian fascist regime, see (1) above, history teaches that the first goosestep is one step too many.

When someone starts chipping away at the Block of Liberty you are standing on, you don't wait till it's half gone to start objecting. By then it's too late, you will be toppled. When the first hammer blow starts to strike, its time to get involved and stop it.

Cowardice for citing examples of how you feel checkpoints should be? Please enlighten me on that one. You and the others feel that nothing should be done at checkpoints aside a black & white search for weapons and/or explosives. That pretty much means anything else, no matter how illegal or horrendous, should pass on by with flying colors. Although it is on the extreme side, it is an example according to your standards none the less.

I'm sure those folks were thinking the same thing aboard the 9/11 aircraft, sitting cozy in their desks in the Towers, and playing with their children in Oklahoma City before the blasts hit them. Although unlikely, and pray that we do not see more, but explosives are very possible in high-populated areas. It is not rocket science that airports and other mass transit are preferred targets. Just because it has not happened since 9/11 does not mean it will not happen again. To assume that bombings or other future terroristic actions against this country will never happen again is ignorance on your part.

For the rest of time, this country is going to have tighter security at its airports whether you like it or not, by the TSA or someone else. Get used to it, or rent a car.

No one is objecting to actual security. The problem is that the TSA does not provide that. It can be done effectively and efficiently with a reasonable budget; it was for many, many years prior to the federalization of the function.

And it was done with fewer failures in the process, fewer civil rights violations, no need for an oppressive intimidation aspect to the program and generally a more pleasant environment.

Airport/mass transit security checkpoints are not going to move out onto the streets of America. We all know this, so I wish everyone would cease from attempting to use the excuse that these type searches are going to move elsewhere. The difference in having such checkpoints where they are now is the constant reminder (through plenty of statistics), that aircraft and mass transit are targets for terrorism because of the high fatality rate that comes with it. It happens worldwide, nothing new.