‘We have to prepare for attacks that don’t fit our procedures,’ TSA says
“We have to prepare for attacks that don’t fit our procedures,” such as the traveler who stuffed a block of cheese wrapped in wire into a checked bag, Transportation Security Administration Administrator Kip Hawley told reporters Friday.
More from MSNBC. I feel so much safer knowing we're going to be protected from cheese..... :rolleyes: You've GOT to read this one.... it has so many gems... "In addition, screeners will get redesigned uniforms and police-style metal badges, the agency said" “We have to assume that that is occurring,” Hawley said. “Our job is to pick up on the clue.” It would be nice if Kip HAD A CLUE.......... |
Originally Posted by bzbdewd
(Post 9597977)
“We have to prepare for attacks that don’t fit our procedures,” such as the traveler who stuffed a block of cheese wrapped in wire into a checked bag, Transportation Security Administration Administrator Kip Hawley told reporters Friday.
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Two problems here:
1) The assumption of omniscience. Not every attack can be anticipated and, therefore, prepared for. You can't design a procedure to prevent an attack you have thought of. 2) The assumption of intrinsic threat. A block of cheese wrapped in wire is just a block of cheese wrapped in wire. Appearances do not a threat make. Intention and plausibility matter in the determination of threat. |
Originally Posted by essxjay
(Post 9598186)
Two problems here:
1) The assumption of omniscience. Not every attack can be anticipated and, therefore, prepared for. You can't design a procedure to prevent an attack you have thought of. 2) The assumption of intrinsic threat. A block of cheese wrapped in wire is just a block of cheese wrapped in wire. Appearances do not a threat make. Intention and plausibility matter in the determination of threat. 2) Partial agreement. How do you know it's just a block of cheese until you check it out. A block of anything wrapped in wires should be checked out. It may be just some wackjob, or someone testing the system. Appearances may be just that, once checked out. Or not. |
Well this is good news:
There will be no more screaming across checkpoint isles (sic), and screeners will get tips on how not to be baited by an angry passenger. |
Originally Posted by law dawg
(Post 9598197)
Appearances may be just that, once checked out. Or not.
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Originally Posted by essxjay
(Post 9598236)
Thusly, the rest of my paragraph: "Appearances do not a threat make. Intention and plausibility matter in the determination of threat." N.B. The reason I grouped four statements into a single paragraph (in point 2, upthread) was to indicate a complete argument. Had I intended each statement as a non sequitur I would have made them separate paragraphs.
Sure it was, but that's something I want checked out. |
Originally Posted by law dawg
(Post 9598256)
That wasn't completely aimed at you. It was mostly a statement to those who screamed "Oh my god it was just a block of cheese!"
Sure it was, but that's something I want checked out. |
Originally Posted by PatrickHenry1775
(Post 9598298)
Sure, have TSA check out blocks of cheese, but do not worry about checking all cargo carried on passenger airplanes. That makes great sense.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=811214 |
Originally Posted by law dawg
(Post 9598197)
1) Agreed.
2) Partial agreement. How do you know it's just a block of cheese until you check it out. A block of anything wrapped in wires should be checked out. It may be just some wackjob, or someone testing the system. Appearances may be just that, once checked out. Or not. |
Originally Posted by MKEbound
(Post 9598352)
I don't disagree that carry on luggage should be checked, but I'm willing to bet that a dozen or so pax carry on cheese every day. Why did the TSA had to make a national press blitz when they found a block of cheese or a blue ice brick? That just makes them look foolish.
NOT normal. |
Does any one rember the " block of cheese incident" that they are refering to? They put out a big alert about suspicious items going through screening. It turns out they were all benign items brought through by ordinary American citizens.
So the goverment is perpetuating it's own disproven story? If anyone doubts this I can post the link to the nbc and cnn video clips about the false alarm they raised last summer. I will have to dig around for the link though. |
Originally Posted by law dawg
(Post 9598364)
But who carries a block of cheese with wires around/in it?
NOT normal. |
Originally Posted by law dawg
(Post 9598307)
Ah, but when they recently said they would do just that, TS/S ranted against it:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=811214 |
Originally Posted by essxjay
(Post 9598448)
"Normal" is a setting on a washing machine. Weirdness as such is not sufficient criteria for extra c/p scrutiny.
What I don't understand is how cheese wrapped in wire is a "threat" in any way. |
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