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UALOneKPlus Nov 13, 2007 4:43 pm

Why ID check and then require boarding pass through the WTMD?
 
I've always wondered about the rationale behind this.

We know the TSA rarely has rationale. So can anyone explain why they have an ID checker to let people into the security line, and then require the boarding pass be displayed at the WTMD (which is often less than 10 feet from the WTMD)?

How does the 2nd boarding card display at the WTMD improve security? It surely slows people down, since they've got their hands full, taking off shoes, taking out electronics, their liquid baggie, jackets, etc etc.

Why why why?? :confused:

Spiff Nov 13, 2007 4:49 pm

The TSA is a Workfare program, so there needs to be something for the Workfare recipients to appear to be doing so that Congress doesn't subtract any more employees from this bloated Workfare program.

UALOneKPlus Nov 13, 2007 4:54 pm

Thank you, comrade Spiff, for that true and honest answer. Again that's the only possible answer I can think of - a work welfare program, for this unnecessary and none-value-add process.

Someone the complete opposite of Peter Drucker and Dr. W. Edwards Deming must have dreamed up this inefficient, redundant, and ineffective process for the TSA.

That person shall now be called Sir Dumming, TSA III.

whirledtraveler Nov 13, 2007 4:59 pm

Old primate behavioral conditioning technique. Every religion needs its rituals.

UALOneKPlus Nov 13, 2007 5:23 pm


Originally Posted by whirledtraveler (Post 8725133)
Old primate behavioral conditioning technique. Every religion needs its rituals.

You may just have pointed the answer out!!

Every time you are asked to show your ID / boarding pass, it must increase the feeling of security by .0005%. Therefore, asking for a boarding pass twice will increase the feeling of security by .0010 %.

In the future, to increase the feeling of security by 1%, you will be asked to show the boarding pass 2000 times at the checkpoint.

I understand it now!!

XGSC Nov 13, 2007 5:27 pm


Originally Posted by UALOneKPlus (Post 8725052)
I've always wondered about the rationale behind this.

We know the TSA rarely has rationale. So can anyone explain why they have an ID checker to let people into the security line, and then require the boarding pass be displayed at the WTMD (which is often less than 10 feet from the WTMD)?

How does the 2nd boarding card display at the WTMD improve security? It surely slows people down, since they've got their hands full, taking off shoes, taking out electronics, their liquid baggie, jackets, etc etc.

Why why why?? :confused:

My guess is two fold, and it depends on how the checkpoint is set up. The ID checkers are verifying ID and a document which permits entry to the sterile area, IE boarding pass, Gate pass, Airport ID. They MAY also be sending selectees to the additional screening lane. The Magnitometer person is double checking whether you need to be selectee screened. If they miss a selectee, the airline must refuse boarding until that pasenger is screened. Causes a lot of trouble for the carrier and the TSA. So they double check, seems to be the lesser of two weevils,

UALOneKPlus Nov 13, 2007 5:29 pm


Originally Posted by XGSC (Post 8725288)
My guess is two fold, and it depends on how the checkpoint is set up. The ID checkers are verifying ID and a document which permits entry to the sterile area, IE boarding pass, Gate pass, Airport ID. They MAY also be sending selectees to the additional screening lane. The Magnitometer person is double checking whether you need to be selectee screened. If they miss a selectee, the airline must refuse boarding until that pasenger is screened. Causes a lot of trouble for the carrier and the TSA. So they double check, seems to be the lesser of two weevils,

Thank you, that makes some sense.

So they don't trust the initial ID checker, and have to check his/her work to ensure compliance. Sounds like the TSA doesn't trust its own people.

gj83 Nov 13, 2007 5:31 pm


Originally Posted by XGSC (Post 8725288)
My guess is two fold, and it depends on how the checkpoint is set up. The ID checkers are verifying ID and a document which permits entry to the sterile area, IE boarding pass, Gate pass, Airport ID. They MAY also be sending selectees to the additional screening lane. The Magnitometer person is double checking whether you need to be selectee screened. If they miss a selectee, the airline must refuse boarding until that pasenger is screened. Causes a lot of trouble for the carrier and the TSA. So they double check, seems to be the lesser of two weevils,

If the OP is serious, then I second this answer. If we just needed a fresh TSA bashing thread, then i'm behind Spiff all the way.

UALOneKPlus Nov 13, 2007 5:33 pm


Originally Posted by gj83 (Post 8725309)
If the OP is serious, then I second this answer. If we just needed a fresh TSA bashing thread, then i'm behind Spiff all the way.

Of course I'm serious. When am I not serious? :confused:

My feelings are hurt... :p

Seriously, it sounds like the job of an ID checker is so ardous and complicated, that the TSA doesn't like relying on them to competently send people to the appropriate line. So they double check the work the ID checker does.

Sounds like hard work to me.

Spiff Nov 13, 2007 5:35 pm


Originally Posted by UALOneKPlus (Post 8725319)
Of course I'm serious. When am I not serious? :confused:

My feelings are hurt... :p

Seriously, it sounds like the job of an ID checker is so ardous and complicated, that the TSA doesn't like relying on them to competently send people to the appropriate line. So they double check the work the ID checker does.

Sounds like hard work to me.

Oh yeah. Really taxing. ;)

ooO("I must scrutinize or Other Comrades will mock my purpose at Comrade Hawley's Workfare Checkpoint!")

Lonely Flyer Nov 13, 2007 5:36 pm


Originally Posted by UALOneKPlus (Post 8725102)
Thank you, comrade Spiff


Isn't it "Most Exhalted Comrade"

UALOneKPlus Nov 13, 2007 5:37 pm


Originally Posted by Lonely Flyer (Post 8725345)
Isn't it "Most Exhalted Comrade"

Ah, yes, forgive me my transgress, senior comrade and Most Exalted Comrade. I am not worthy of belonging to this most noble party.


Originally Posted by Spiff (Post 8725334)
Oh yeah. Really taxing. ;)

ooO("I must scrutinize or Other Comrades will mock my purpose at Comrade Hawley's Workfare Checkpoint!")

Most Exalted Comrade doest make me laugh. I feel so ashamed. Please send me to labor camp.

Spiff Nov 13, 2007 5:40 pm


Originally Posted by UALOneKPlus (Post 8725354)
Ah, yes, forgive me my transgress, senior comrade and Most Exalted Comrade. I am not worthy of belonging to this most noble party.



Most Exalted Comrade doest make me laugh. I feel so ashamed.

Ah, you flatter me, Comrade! However, I am not worthy either of such praise. Laurels like Most Exalted Comrade belong to Comrades who throw feces at wall and from that determine Security Policy for all Comrades at People's Airports.

Lonely Flyer Nov 13, 2007 5:41 pm

Maybe the process is modelled on a produce grading machine

The big potatoes are cut out first and then so on down to the smallest potato

XGSC Nov 13, 2007 5:43 pm


Originally Posted by UALOneKPlus (Post 8725319)
Of course I'm serious. When am I not serious? :confused:

My feelings are hurt... :p

Seriously, it sounds like the job of an ID checker is so ardous and complicated, that the TSA doesn't like relying on them to competently send people to the appropriate line. So they double check the work the ID checker does.

Sounds like hard work to me.

Not all flyers are frequent or have flown 100,001 miles in a year. Sometimes through, confusion, misunderstanding, or down right orneryness, passengers don't do as requested, so someone directed to the selectee line, may not end up there. That may be difficult for you to believe, but passengers do get confused at the airport.


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