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-   -   Why ID check and then require boarding pass through the WTMD? (https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/practical-travel-safety-security-issues/756850-why-id-check-then-require-boarding-pass-through-wtmd.html)

UALOneKPlus Nov 13, 2007 5:44 pm


Originally Posted by Lonely Flyer (Post 8725372)
Maybe the process is modelled on a produce grading machine

The big potatoes are cut out first and then so on down to the smallest potato

That process does sound very thorough. The TSA taking security lessons from a potato grading machine. Sounds very reassuring! ^

Spiff Nov 13, 2007 5:45 pm


Originally Posted by XGSC (Post 8725388)
Not all flyers are frequent or have flown 100,001 miles in a year. Sometimes through, confusion, misunderstanding, or down right orneryness, passengers don't do as requested, so someone directed to the selectee line, may not end up there. That may be difficult for you to believe, but passengers do get confused at the airport.

No one should ever be a haraSSSSee. ID/BP checks should be eliminated.

UALOneKPlus Nov 13, 2007 5:46 pm


Originally Posted by XGSC (Post 8725388)
Not all flyers are frequent or have flown 100,001 miles in a year. Sometimes through, confusion, misunderstanding, or down right orneryness, passengers don't do as requested, so someone directed to the selectee line, may not end up there. That may be difficult for you to believe, but passengers do get confused at the airport.

Oh believe me, I do get confused too, all the time!!!

Especially when I have to remove my flip flops, take out the laptop, my freedom baggie, take off my jacket, trying to hold on to my boarding card, while a security comrade is barking orders in my ear.

I get confused every single time I go through a security checkpoint, honestly!!!

I don't know if I'm undressing for the gym, or if I'm going through security. I have to ask fellow passengers all the time. Unfortunately most of them are as equally confused as I am. :(

SDF_Traveler Nov 13, 2007 6:05 pm


Originally Posted by XGSC (Post 8725388)
That may be difficult for you to believe, but passengers do get confused at the airport.

Hmmm.... So true; on "Kath and Kim" they get so confused they spent their entire holiday in the Qantas Club. :D

Ah, then there's "Earl" and the episode where they have to fly... "They sure ask a lot more questions at the airport than they do at the bus station"... "Earl, throw your shoes up like I did, you get to go to the front of the line!" :D

LessO2 Nov 13, 2007 6:19 pm


Originally Posted by XGSC (Post 8725388)
That may be difficult for you to believe, but passengers do get confused at the airport.

Tell that to the TSAers who post here who are incredulous at how there could be people who aren;t aware of the rules. Mostly Ma and Pa Kettle.

707Flyer Nov 13, 2007 8:59 pm


Originally Posted by UALOneKPlus (Post 8725052)
We know the TSA rarely has rationale. So can anyone explain why they have an ID checker to let people into the security line, and then require the boarding pass be displayed at the WTMD (which is often less than 10 feet from the WTMD)?

Last trip through DCA term B, they rotated staff while I was loading my laptop into the gray bucket, so the guy who checked my BP after I walked through the detector was the same guy who had just checked my ID and BP before I walked through.

UALOneKPlus Nov 13, 2007 9:11 pm


Originally Posted by 707Flyer (Post 8726273)
Last trip through DCA term B, they rotated staff while I was loading my laptop into the gray bucket, so the guy who checked my BP after I walked through the detector was the same guy who had just checked my ID and BP before I walked through.

ROFL

That sounds like a bad skit from SNL, or something from Monty Python. :D:D:D:D:D

CPT Trips Nov 14, 2007 12:24 am


Originally Posted by 707Flyer (Post 8726273)
Last trip through DCA term B, they rotated staff while I was loading my laptop into the gray bucket, so the guy who checked my BP after I walked through the detector was the same guy who had just checked my ID and BP before I walked through.

What, you expected him to remember you?:)

stupidhead Nov 14, 2007 1:02 pm

Next time they whine about how hard their jobs are, I'm inclined to call up Kip Hawley's office and give him a three-hour lecture on the fact that his job is SUPPOSED to be hard; that's why they pay him whatever absurd amount of money they pay him.

Xyzzy Nov 14, 2007 1:46 pm

You think it's dumb asking for a BP again? If you show a gate pass at the WTMD they ask for your ID again. I recently asked why and was told, "It's because you're not flying." Workfare, indeed :(

DallasBill Nov 14, 2007 1:51 pm


Originally Posted by UALOneKPlus (Post 8725391)
That process does sound very thorough. The TSA taking security lessons from a potato grading machine. Sounds very reassuring! ^

I'm sure that we are just small fry to them!

SAT Lawyer Nov 14, 2007 2:04 pm


Originally Posted by XGSC (Post 8725388)
Not all flyers are frequent or have flown 100,001 miles in a year. Sometimes through, confusion, misunderstanding, or down right orneryness, passengers don't do as requested, so someone directed to the selectee line, may not end up there. That may be difficult for you to believe, but passengers do get confused at the airport.

Then why not dispense with the initial ID checker and only check IDs as passengers walk through the metal detector?

Furthermore, why do some airports perform this double check, while others do not?

Superguy Nov 14, 2007 2:08 pm


Originally Posted by UALOneKPlus (Post 8725300)
Thank you, that makes some sense.

So they don't trust the initial ID checker, and have to check his/her work to ensure compliance. Sounds like the TSA doesn't trust its own people.

And that explains the gate checks too. @:-)

Of course, TSA will spin it as just another "layer" in the security onion. :rolleyes:

Superguy Nov 14, 2007 2:14 pm


Originally Posted by SAT Lawyer (Post 8730470)
Then why not dispense with the initial ID checker and only check IDs as passengers walk through the metal detector?

Furthermore, why do some airports perform this double check, while others do not?

Some areas probably have more needy people than others. :D

thegeneral Nov 15, 2007 12:40 am

"I get confused every single time I go through a security checkpoint, honestly!!!
"

If you barely have the intellectual horsepower to get through security, then I'm amazed that you're actually able to type, read and hit the enter key. Going through security is about the least hassle I have in my travel day. It sure seems to get a lot of people around here whining though.

It's amazing at how people are dumbfounded that things might have to be second checked. Perhaps you might want to look at the procedures that the pilots use in the cockpit. They have many, many procedures that second check things. Of course, when they have an engine failure on a two engine plane and have to take some time to double check that they are shutting down fuel to the failed engine and not the operating one, you don't see people writing stupid things like workfare and harassssment. :rolleyes:


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