Just found a knife on my plane
Mar 21, 2007, 3:14 pm
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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/...in528967.shtml
Mar 21, 2007, 3:22 pm
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And I saw an AK-47 run through an X-Ray machine in PNG. Big deal and has no relevance to the discussion of security measures in the US and Europe.
As far as requiring 100 percent effectivness...it is a common misunderstanding that a security measure needs to be 100 percent successful to be effective. This is not the case.
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By the way, what do you and Spliff think you accomplish with your little wink emotes?
As far as requiring 100 percent effectivness...it is a common misunderstanding that a security measure needs to be 100 percent successful to be effective. This is not the case.
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By the way, what do you and Spliff think you accomplish with your little wink emotes?
Mar 21, 2007, 3:49 pm
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The substance of what you wrote was peddling a misunderstanding, missing the point and barking up the wrong tree, which is why I gave the . Also, I addressed your question. If your question is without substance, that's not my issue.
DHS/TSA is not very effective, actually not effective at all -- just lucky is what they are, given the incompetents who "lead" there.
. Also, I addressed your question. If your question is without substance, that's not my issue.DHS/TSA is not very effective, actually not effective at all -- just lucky is what they are, given the incompetents who "lead" there.
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Mar 21, 2007, 7:18 pm
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Well, since my previous post has been disappeared, I'll to to follow up.
You, GU, stated that TSA security is not 100 percent. I pointed out that it doesn't need to be 100 percent ot pose an effective deterrent.
And no, you have NOT responded to the substance of that post.
And mod, if you are going to delete my stuff for a play on a username, I'd sure like it if you disappeared Spiff and GU's stuff where they call those who don't agree with them bigots.
You, GU, stated that TSA security is not 100 percent. I pointed out that it doesn't need to be 100 percent ot pose an effective deterrent.
And no, you have NOT responded to the substance of that post.
And mod, if you are going to delete my stuff for a play on a username, I'd sure like it if you disappeared Spiff and GU's stuff where they call those who don't agree with them bigots.
Mar 21, 2007, 7:42 pm
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Well, since my previous post has been disappeared, I'll to to follow up.
You, GU, stated that TSA security is not 100 percent. I pointed out that it doesn't need to be 100 percent ot pose an effective deterrent.
And no, you have NOT responded to the substance of that post.
And mod, if you are going to delete my stuff for a play on a username, I'd sure like it if you disappeared Spiff and GU's stuff where they call those who don't agree with them bigots.
You, GU, stated that TSA security is not 100 percent. I pointed out that it doesn't need to be 100 percent ot pose an effective deterrent.
And no, you have NOT responded to the substance of that post.
And mod, if you are going to delete my stuff for a play on a username, I'd sure like it if you disappeared Spiff and GU's stuff where they call those who don't agree with them bigots.
Mar 21, 2007, 7:51 pm
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Yeah, I'm noticing that there is a bit of that going on...I came in here innocently enough from a link on the front page. See Spiff and GU ranting on about "Islamophobes" and "bigots" while employing incredibly deceptive techniques of argumentation. I wonder, why doesn't anyone call them on this?
Well, now I know why.
Well, now I know why.
Mar 21, 2007, 8:16 pm
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Mar 21, 2007, 9:42 pm
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I suspect that, at least as far as activities in the US, AQ and other terrorist cells are fairly risk averse (to keep some capacity) and that as a result the percieved higher chance of failing to execute a mission has indeed prevented terrorist attacks. Certainly the main attacks of Islamic extremists since 9/11 (Bali, London, Madrid) have been against MUCH softer targets (a bar and public trains).
Mar 21, 2007, 9:55 pm
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Come now, law dawg, you impress me as someone who, like bart, has an appreciation for critical thinking and logical evaluation. cestmoi123 seems to think that a knife with a less than 4" blade is somehow not a knife. blueeyes_austin seems to think the TSA is an effective screening force, despite published reviews. The FAM force has an abysmal cost/benefit ratio. How can you continue to support the status quo?
Mar 21, 2007, 9:56 pm
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USA Today article?
I didn't see this referenced in the thread yet, but this story seems to be on the USA Today website now. Here's a link:
http://www.usatoday.com/travel/fligh...t_N.htm?csp=34
http://www.usatoday.com/travel/fligh...t_N.htm?csp=34
Mar 21, 2007, 10:04 pm
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Come now, law dawg, you impress me as someone who, like bart, has an appreciation for critical thinking and logical evaluation. cestmoi123 seems to think that a knife with a less than 4" blade is somehow not a knife. blueeyes_austin seems to think the TSA is an effective screening force, despite published reviews. The FAM force has an abysmal cost/benefit ratio. How can you continue to support the status quo?
Mar 21, 2007, 10:23 pm
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"The clear and additional screening mechanisms and carry-on restrictions put in place post-9/11" has been a clear, effective, and ongoing attack on our economy and political system that you appear to support. Terrorists are not as fixated upon a specific means of achieving their goals as you and law dawg seem to think, they look for targets of unprotected opportunity.
Mar 21, 2007, 10:34 pm
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As far as the additional security being an attack on our economy, unlikely. If this were so, we would expect to see a diminished demand for air travel and the knock-on negative effects throughout the economy.
Additional security an attack on our political system...well, democracy is not a suicide pact. Closer monitoring of people who choose to go on planes...and a closer inspection of the materials they are bringing on board...seems to me to be a rational response to the attack the US suffered.
Mar 21, 2007, 10:38 pm
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Additional security an attack on our political system...well, democracy is not a suicide pact. Closer monitoring of people who choose to go on planes...and a closer inspection of the materials they are bringing on board...seems to me to be a rational response to the attack the US suffered.
No one should ever have to show ID. The WTMD/x-ray/ETP should be all any passenger is subjected to.
Mar 21, 2007, 10:44 pm
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Additional security an attack on our political system...well, democracy is not a suicide pact. Closer monitoring of people who choose to go on planes...and a closer inspection of the materials they are bringing on board...seems to me to be a rational response to the attack the US suffered.