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exerda Mar 11, 2007 4:36 pm

Since when are mL's a unit of weight?
 
I ran by a CVS today to pick up some shaving gel, as the stuff I had at home was too large to pass the Kip's Zip muster.

I noticed one brand--Gilette, I believe--that came in a fairly small can. It was labeled "NET WEIGHT: 100mL / 3.4 oz."

I almost laughed out loud in the store. First, this is the WORST example I've ever seen of confusing weight and volumetric measurements; usually, the confusion is on the oz / fl oz end of things, not the mL end! Second, it's uber-convenient, it would seem, that the "weights" match the current TSA guidelines.

I also noticed that my normal travel shave gel, in the exact same size can I already have but which says "Net weight: 5.6 oz" or something like that (which is why I left it at home!) now says, "Net weight: 3.4 oz"

Seems like people are manufacturers are doing all they can to capitalize on Kip's Folly.

whirledtraveler Mar 11, 2007 5:59 pm

All the answers are here: http://imdb.com/title/tt0387808/

rar indeed Mar 11, 2007 9:34 pm

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Duh. 1 mL of H2 has the same mass as 1 mL of iron filings.

carpboy Mar 11, 2007 10:29 pm


Originally Posted by rar indeed (Post 7385393)
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Duh. 1 mL of H2 has the same mass as 1 mL of iron filings.

That would be volume, duh.

rar indeed Mar 11, 2007 11:11 pm

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Originally Posted by carpboy

Originally Posted by rar indeed (Post 7385393)
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Duh. 1 mL of H2 has the same mass as 1 mL of iron filings.

That would be volume, duh.

;)

redbeard911 Mar 12, 2007 7:26 am


Originally Posted by whirledtraveler (Post 7384291)
All the answers are here: http://imdb.com/title/tt0387808/

"Go away! I'm batin'"

Yaatri Mar 12, 2007 9:15 am


Originally Posted by rar indeed (Post 7385393)
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Duh. 1 mL of H2 has the same mass as 1 mL of iron filings.


Originally Posted by carpboy (Post 7385634)
That would be volume, duh.

Mass of 1 ml of H2 depends on the pressure. Volume of a gas, such as H2 is not a meaningful quantity unless pressure and temperature are also given.

mwarden Mar 12, 2007 12:14 pm


Originally Posted by Yaatri (Post 7387375)
Mass of 1 ml of H2 depends on the pressure. Volume of a gas, such as H2 is not a meaningful quantity unless pressure and temperature are also given.

You only need to know density. Pressure and temperature have influence over density, but the measurement needed is density.

thezipper Mar 12, 2007 3:26 pm

which weighs more... a ton of feathrs or a ton of bowling balls ;) ask your favorite TSA agent that...

Yaatri Mar 12, 2007 3:28 pm


Originally Posted by mwarden (Post 7388518)
You only need to know density. Pressure and temperature have influence over density, but the measurement needed is density.

Correct, but do you know densities of agses at various pressures and temperatures?:D

Sanosuke Mar 12, 2007 3:32 pm

I'm surprised in all this discussion nobody thought about using grams as a unit of weight, thusly -- milligrams or mg.

Sanosuke!

osxanalyst Mar 12, 2007 3:34 pm

OP has a good point. For water at atmospheric pressure 1 mL = 1 gram, but mL is never a measurement of weight.

Yaatri Mar 12, 2007 3:39 pm


Originally Posted by osxanalyst (Post 7389739)
OP has a good point. For water at atmospheric pressure 1 mL = 1 gram, but mL is never a measurement of weight.

Strictly speaking, neither are Kg, g or mg.

Meho79 Mar 12, 2007 3:42 pm

Although technically, grams are a unit of mass. Newtons are the unit of force. ^

The imperial units of mass are either the slug or lbm (pounds mass).

tlr Mar 12, 2007 3:55 pm


Originally Posted by exerda (Post 7383876)
I also noticed that my normal travel shave gel, in the exact same size can I already have but which says "Net weight: 5.6 oz" or something like that (which is why I left it at home!) now says, "Net weight: 3.4 oz"

Presumably, that's so even the most stupid liquid barker can tell. Like the guy at JFK who told people to throw away their liquids because they weren't labelled, so he "couldn't see what they weigh."

No, I'm not making this up.


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