No Fly Lists, Canadian Style!
 

Here's what's brewing in Canada...

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/n...54c40e&k=88089

No-fly list may ground thousands of Canadians

Don Butler, CanWest News Service; Ottawa Citizen
Published: Sunday, January 14, 2007
OTTAWA -- Soon, this could happen to you: You're flying to another Canadian city and despite a confirmed reservation, the airport kiosk won't print your boarding pass.

You wait while an agent checks something in her computer. She disappears to make a call to a Transport Canada hotline. When she returns, you learn Transport Canada has refused you permission to board. Police might even appear and take you into custody.

You've just found out the hard way that your name is on Canada's new "specified persons list" better known as the no-fly list.

Until now, there has been no official list prohibiting people from flying into or within Canada.

That will soon change. The no-fly list, a key part of a program known as Passenger Protect, was announced in 2005 by the former Liberal government. Regulations were published in the Canada Gazette last October and the 75-day period for public comment expired this week. The program will come into force after Transport Canada publishes final regulations in March.

The no-fly list's imminent introduction has raised numerous concerns, ranging from its impact on privacy, civil liberties and constitutionally guaranteed mobility rights to fears it will disproportionately target Muslims and further entrench security integration with the Americans.

Initially, the program will apply to domestic flights only. It will be extended to international flights in June. While some Canadian residents will certainly be on the list, Transport Canada expects it to focus on non-residents.

Once the program begins, air carriers will be obliged to screen anyone who appears to be 12 years of age or older against the no-fly list before issuing a boarding pass.

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http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/n...54c40e&k=88089

Just one thing, 12 years or older?! Teenaged terrorism must be rampant these days. :rolleyes:

That 12-year old rule is the same as it is in the US. They are exempt from SSSS and prior to 8/10/06, shoe removal.

Gee, I wonder if the US played a role in the "Specified Persons List?"

This classic line is found later in the story...

Famous last words. Sit back as names are added to this list from Google and maybe even screen names from FlyerTalk make their way onto it:D

Well, why should the US have all the fun? Maybe the next stop on the whistle-stop tour is the EU.

Cruise, anyone?

LOL. It could be like a badge of honour. "Discriminated against and Harassssed on 2 continents".:(

It is a crying shame, though. I had a nasty immigration experience driving into Canada a little over a year ago, and then an even worse one on the way driving back into the US. It's like it was a prerequisite for Immigration Officers in the greater Niagara Falls region to be nasty butth#$es.

What our North American LEO's could learn from the Europeans...how to be civil, for one.

I hope Canadians and Americans boycott each others' nations over this mindboggling stupidity. :td: :td:

.... more filthy blacklists put together by (what are considered by most to be) those obscure and incompetent government (and contractor) mandarins living in the bowels of bureaucracy, operating under the cover of "security" and "secrecy".

There are ways to help get the names of Michael Chertoff, Kip Hawley and their Canadian counterparts to get added onto US government blacklists and onto analagous Canadian ones going forward.

It will be interesting if their names were show up on aviation blacklists sooner than later so that they can get a taste of their own medicine.

If they could be bothered to fly comm air, that is. I would imagine, if they do fly with the rest of us peons, that they probably get whisked through security and/or customs without much or any of a check. And, I'm sure that cabinet members have private jet privlidges (thats where those stupid $7.00 a pop customs fees are going...:eek: )

I still see a fair amount of cabinet secretaries still flying commercially (at least sometimes), but they can get around much of the security nonsense -- way too readily if you ask me. (I'd prefer that those with offices of privilege get a reality check by not getting around this security nonsense to which the rest are more routinely subjected.)

Agreed. Maybe when they wait in a half hour queue at TSA or Immigrations, they will influence their employees to speed up the process a little bit. But, lets be realistic. What are the chances of that happening? Its for our own safety, afterall. Woe be unto the cabinet member who fails to support the party line.

Let's call this one "spot the Constitutional breach!". I doubt it'll survive its inevitable first court challenge, which will probably be filed within the first week of implementation. If it actually gets implemented.

I hope you are right.

Nope i dontthink this is gonna happen here in the EU, they already had big problems with the EU parlament en several member state parlement about sharing info with the USA.And also most people in europe understand that no fly lists and TSA etc doesnt help that much against terrorism anyway most of us europeans dont wanna give up all our privacy for so called security.