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Points Scrounger Nov 20, 2006 12:08 pm

What will it take to lower the Alert Level?
 
Raised in August in direct response to the London Boiz.

Mister Chertoff announced that they were instituting these restrictions with the words: "There are [no other] known plots ..."

London Boiz foiled shortly thereafter.

Here we are dickering about saline solution for contact lenses (an Rx item in themselves) and getting all het up about 6 oz of toothpaste and 4 oz of "gel" deodorant.

Just asking ... what will it take?

Spiff Nov 20, 2006 12:17 pm

Frogmarching Comrade Hawley out of TSA Headquarters and then pitching him into the Potomac.

A new dumbell set as a retirement gift would be most appropriate. :D

Points Scrounger Nov 20, 2006 1:02 pm

Does he really make these decisions himself? If he were no longer there tomorrow, everything would be completely different? That's all there is to it? :rolleyes:

Spiff Nov 20, 2006 1:14 pm


Originally Posted by Points Scrounger
Does he really make these decisions himself? If he were no longer there tomorrow, everything would be completely different? That's all there is to it? :rolleyes:

He's the buffoon who claims that the x-ray helps him see explosives and he's also the jackass who touted the liquids ban and subsequent "relaxation".

It begins with him. There's plenty of room in the Potomac for any others who continue this nonsense.

mikeef Nov 20, 2006 1:23 pm

Here's the deal: The threat level is a political tool. As long as the TSA and Homeland Security can make people feel scared, they can justify large budgets. As long as TSA employees search through our luggage, the TSA can make people feel like security has improved. The fact that it is largely for show is irrelevant. For many infrequent travelers, appearance is reality.

Mike

Spiff Nov 20, 2006 1:57 pm


Originally Posted by mikeef
Here's the deal: The threat level is a political tool. As long as the TSA and Homeland Security can make people feel scared, they can justify large budgets. As long as TSA employees search through our luggage, the TSA can make people feel like security has improved. The fact that it is largely for show is irrelevant. For many infrequent travelers, appearance is reality.

Mike

If play-"security" gives people piece of mind, I'd rather give them Xanax or Valium. It's cheaper, just as effective, and doesn't destroy my civil liberties at the expense of their insecurity and stupidity.

Peetah Nov 20, 2006 11:47 pm

Short of exterminating everyone, there can be nothing that can take the "threat level" to its lowest. Even if there were only two people on the planet, at least one of them will feel threatened by the other in some way.

So how does one make the threat level lower? Get rid of the threat level and live life like it was before its introduction.

ph-ndr Nov 21, 2006 12:23 am


Originally Posted by Points Scrounger
Just asking ... what will it take?

Absolute majority in the house and cngress by the GOP. ;)

-A

mikeef Nov 21, 2006 9:21 am


Originally Posted by Spiff
If play-"security" gives people piece of mind, I'd rather give them Xanax or Valium. It's cheaper, just as effective, and doesn't destroy my civil liberties at the expense of their insecurity and stupidity.

Now that's a cause I'd contribute to.

Mike

Points Scrounger Nov 21, 2006 9:24 am


Originally Posted by Peetah
Short of exterminating everyone, there can be nothing that can take the "threat level" to its lowest. Even if there were only two people on the planet, at least one of them will feel threatened by the other in some way.

So how does one make the threat level lower? Get rid of the threat level and live life like it was before its introduction.

I was thinking of getting things back to Aug 9th levels.

Spiff Nov 21, 2006 9:36 am


Originally Posted by Points Scrounger
I was thinking of getting things back to Aug 9th levels.

Sept 10th 2001 for me, please.

rufflesinc Nov 21, 2006 3:36 pm

bin laden in a body bag

fester Nov 21, 2006 9:22 pm


Originally Posted by rufflesinc
bin laden in a body bag


Not enough. It would have to be all Muslim extremists exterminated, but then white, radical militiamen may become the new threat, or maybe it's 80 year old war veterans. I can't remember who's next in the pecking order. :D

Spiff Nov 21, 2006 9:30 pm


Originally Posted by fester
Not enough. It would have to be all Muslim extremists exterminated, but then white, radical militiamen may become the new threat, or maybe it's 80 year old war veterans. I can't remember who's next in the pecking order. :D

1. Terrorists in US government jobs who destroy civil liberties in the name of "security".

2. All others.

MKEbound Nov 22, 2006 7:55 am

I had a TSA supervisor tell me last week that "once the threat level is back to Yellow or Blue, we won't be required to remove our shoes any more" :rolleyes:


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