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-   -   What will it take to lower the Alert Level? (https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/practical-travel-safety-security-issues/627228-what-will-take-lower-alert-level.html)

etch5895 Nov 22, 2006 7:58 am
Originally Posted by Spiff
Frogmarching Comrade Hawley out of TSA Headquarters and then pitching him into the Potomac.

A new dumbell set as a retirement gift would be most appropriate. :D
I've got to know...since I'm laughing, what exactly is a 'frogmarch'?

Points Scrounger Nov 22, 2006 8:56 am
Originally Posted by MKEbound
I had a TSA supervisor tell me last week that "once the threat level is back to Yellow or Blue, we won't be required to remove our shoes any more" :rolleyes:

Could you give some context? Was he anticipating a change?

GUWonder Nov 22, 2006 9:09 am
Originally Posted by Points Scrounger
Could you give some context? Was he anticipating a change?
If he was anticipating such a change in the nearer term, he'd be looking for another job faster than now. :eek:

FliesWay2Much Nov 22, 2006 10:29 am
Originally Posted by mikeef
Here's the deal: The threat level is a political tool. As long as the TSA and Homeland Security can make people feel scared, they can justify large budgets. As long as TSA employees search through our luggage, the TSA can make people feel like security has improved. The fact that it is largely for show is irrelevant. For many infrequent travelers, appearance is reality.

Mike
Agree 100%. DHS and TSA can't get money from Congress with a reduced threat level. It will never be reduced below yellow because it's not costing governments money any more and they have successfully social-engineered American society. Ridge solved the local government complaint issue by declaring that threat levels could be "regionalized."

N830MH Nov 22, 2006 7:12 pm
Originally Posted by FliesWay2Much
Agree 100%. DHS and TSA can't get money from Congress with a reduced threat level. It will never be reduced below yellow because it's not costing governments money any more and they have successfully social-engineered American society. Ridge solved the local government complaint issue by declaring that threat levels could be "regionalized."
As you know Tom Ridge is no longer work for secretary DHS. He has been retired from DHS couple years ago they has been replace new DHS. I think threat levels could be reduce from Orange to Yellow or Blue. I can't imagine why governments hasn't changed information. It would be safer for now and TSA didn't telling me that I didn't take shoes off while I am go through the checkpoint while I am work in PHX. it is not problems my shoes at all. I show out my PHX badge when I am go through the metal detector. Every time TSA has show them out the employees badge all the times. Does anybody else reason why TSA has always show me my PHX employees badge.

Spiff Nov 22, 2006 11:19 pm
Originally Posted by etch5895
I've got to know...since I'm laughing, what exactly is a 'frogmarch'?
It's where a couple of people grab onto an undesirable person and forcefully walk him/her out the door. Works best if the undesirable person is also used to open the door. Kip Hawley would make a fine battering ram. :D

MileageAddict Nov 23, 2006 4:58 pm
Originally Posted by MKEbound
I had a TSA supervisor tell me last week that "once the threat level is back to Yellow or Blue, we won't be required to remove our shoes any more" :rolleyes:

Here is the updated threat chart currently being used by Kip Hawley:

http://willowpondlane.com/blather/up...eet-717157.jpg

Points Scrounger Nov 23, 2006 5:10 pm
Works for me! ^

MileageAddict Nov 23, 2006 5:15 pm
Originally Posted by Points Scrounger
Works for me! ^
:D Works for the average IQ of the typical American traveler as well.

cj001f Nov 23, 2006 5:31 pm
January 20, 2009

N830MH Nov 23, 2006 5:33 pm
Originally Posted by cj001f
January 20, 2009
What this? :confused:

MileageAddict Nov 23, 2006 5:54 pm
Originally Posted by N830MH
What this? :confused:
The day a new president takes office. ^

N830MH Nov 23, 2006 9:47 pm
Originally Posted by MileageAddict
The day a new president takes office. ^
Right. :) Those day will have a new president into the office in 2009. I can't wait for replaced George W. Bush to another nice new president in 2008. I will takes nice votes for next Election Day 2008.

GUWonder Nov 23, 2006 10:39 pm
Unfortunately I have no faith that this security nonsense will come to an end merely because of a change in holder of the Office of the POTUS. CYA by government/political actors and public demands for risk avoidance (as opposed to risk management) in this arena will mean that a lot of this stuff will stick for far longer than it should.

etch5895 Nov 24, 2006 4:50 am
Originally Posted by Spiff
It's where a couple of people grab onto an undesirable person and forcefully walk him/her out the door. Works best if the undesirable person is also used to open the door. Kip Hawley would make a fine battering ram. :D
Now that I want to see. :)


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