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I was detained at the TSA checkpoint for about 25 minutes today
Sep 29, 2006, 1:23 pm
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Originally Posted by TwinsDG
I have the right to safe travels - I'm not quite sure about the rights of idiots and those intentionally breaking rules and testing those hired to do a job.
What rules did the OP break?
Sep 29, 2006, 1:23 pm
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Originally Posted by TwinsDG
I just would like to fly without attention-seekers trying to get their mug on CNN and doing stupid stuff like this bag thing with the potential to hold up the travels of everyone else following the rules.
I have the right to safe travels - I'm not quite sure about the rights of idiots and those intentionally breaking rules and testing those hired to do a job.
If you don't like the rules, don't fly.
I have the right to safe travels - I'm not quite sure about the rights of idiots and those intentionally breaking rules and testing those hired to do a job.
If you don't like the rules, don't fly.
The problem with your position is that the right to travel, the right to self-expression and the other rights that this TSA screener unilaterally decided aren't valid any more is soemthing that hundreds of millions of Americans hold very dear. If you personally are willing to allow you most basic of rights be trampled by a governental agency without due process, then feel free to join the sheeple who stand in line and allow themselves to be led down thte path.
It's probably a good hting you weren't around in 1776 when the entire place got started off with men who were willing to die for what you feel is patently unnecessary.
--PP
Sep 29, 2006, 1:24 pm
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Kiss their @$$es and put it behind you.
This is a situation I've learned the about the hard way. I travel out of country a few times a year, and often have to dael with the Customs people in other countries. The only way to extricate yourself from a self-righteous personality disorder with power, is to kiss their @$$ and get through the checkpoint as quickly as possible.
I, too have had occasional encounters with TSA control freaks, and also with US Cutsoms - 40 miles inside the US border (from Mexico). And I was DRIVING back from San Diego to Phoenix when the Customs thing happened.
It's a whole lot cheaper to swallow your pride, tell them what they want to hear, and get out of that situation as quickly as possible.
I, too have had occasional encounters with TSA control freaks, and also with US Cutsoms - 40 miles inside the US border (from Mexico). And I was DRIVING back from San Diego to Phoenix when the Customs thing happened.
It's a whole lot cheaper to swallow your pride, tell them what they want to hear, and get out of that situation as quickly as possible.
Sep 29, 2006, 1:24 pm
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Originally Posted by TwinsDG
I just would like to fly without attention-seekers trying to get their mug on CNN and doing stupid stuff like this bag thing with the potential to hold up the travels of everyone else following the rules.
I have the right to safe travels - I'm not quite sure about the rights of idiots and those intentionally breaking rules and testing those hired to do a job.
If you don't like the rules, don't fly.
I have the right to safe travels - I'm not quite sure about the rights of idiots and those intentionally breaking rules and testing those hired to do a job.
If you don't like the rules, don't fly.
Sep 29, 2006, 1:26 pm
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Originally Posted by TwinsDG
I just would like to fly without attention-seekers trying to get their mug on CNN and doing stupid stuff like this bag thing with the potential to hold up the travels of everyone else following the rules.
I have the right to safe travels - I'm not quite sure about the rights of idiots and those intentionally breaking rules and testing those hired to do a job.
If you don't like the rules, don't fly.
I have the right to safe travels - I'm not quite sure about the rights of idiots and those intentionally breaking rules and testing those hired to do a job.
If you don't like the rules, don't fly.
Sep 29, 2006, 1:26 pm
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Originally Posted by ggregl42
OK, I admit it. I am a newbie. I only fly 30-35 weeks a year. Just found this website and I am favorably impressed. Spent a little time scrolling thru this set of posts. Thought I would toss in my two cents worth.
The Bill of Rights is the most important part of the US Constitution, in spite of the actions of the current and several past administrations and congresses.
Having installed security equipment in transportation settings, I can offer my professional opinion that the Department of Homeland Security and TSA are in fact large beauracracies that are designed to off the illusion of security while providing a plethora of good paying gov't jobs and depleting the coffers.
I would feel safer if the went back to allowing us to carry pocket knives and bottled water on board. I can assure you that if I see someone trying to light the latter, I will stop him with the former.
I prefer freedom to security. Life is short and fragile. I will take my chances on the odds, versus ceding my rights to the gov't.
I love my country, but don't trust my gov't. It isn't because I think they are evil or that there is a conspiracy, but because I think it is staffed largely with people who couldn't get a job at Walmart.
Anyone who thinks that there isn't a war going on, is not paying attention. There is a large and growing section of the Islamic faith, that is committed to a Caliphate. They will convert the world to Islam by whatever means necessary or die trying. We do not have that kind of commitment among most of our nonuniformed citizens. It has been growing for 20+ years, it is gaining momentum, 9/11 was just a milestone. It was not the start, it will not be the end.
Greg
The Bill of Rights is the most important part of the US Constitution, in spite of the actions of the current and several past administrations and congresses.
Having installed security equipment in transportation settings, I can offer my professional opinion that the Department of Homeland Security and TSA are in fact large beauracracies that are designed to off the illusion of security while providing a plethora of good paying gov't jobs and depleting the coffers.
I would feel safer if the went back to allowing us to carry pocket knives and bottled water on board. I can assure you that if I see someone trying to light the latter, I will stop him with the former.
I prefer freedom to security. Life is short and fragile. I will take my chances on the odds, versus ceding my rights to the gov't.
I love my country, but don't trust my gov't. It isn't because I think they are evil or that there is a conspiracy, but because I think it is staffed largely with people who couldn't get a job at Walmart.
Anyone who thinks that there isn't a war going on, is not paying attention. There is a large and growing section of the Islamic faith, that is committed to a Caliphate. They will convert the world to Islam by whatever means necessary or die trying. We do not have that kind of commitment among most of our nonuniformed citizens. It has been growing for 20+ years, it is gaining momentum, 9/11 was just a milestone. It was not the start, it will not be the end.
Greg
Sep 29, 2006, 1:27 pm
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Originally Posted by JohnneeO
We'll have a lot more posters qualifying for OMNI soon, with all the inflated post counts resulting from this thread! 
Sep 29, 2006, 1:29 pm
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Originally Posted by GUWonder
This is less about "15 minutes of fame" than it's about being hassled by government employees for expressing a constitutionally-protected political opinion.
I think the fame should focus on the issue, which is finally being brought to light. MKEBound just happened to be the person to do it.
Sep 29, 2006, 1:29 pm
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Originally Posted by hoyateach
What rule, exactly, was MKEBound breaking?
Sep 29, 2006, 1:29 pm
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Originally Posted by GUWonder
This is less about "15 minutes of fame" than it's about being hassled by government employees for expressing a constitutionally-protected political opinion.
Some consider him a publicity seeker. I argue that if the TSA had kept their opinions to themselves, he would have just gone about his business and been a lot happier today. In the mean time, thers a word for those who stand up for the basic rights guaranteed to us by the United States Constitution:
"patriot".
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Sep 29, 2006, 1:30 pm
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Originally Posted by TwinsDG
I just would like to fly without attention-seekers trying to get their mug on CNN and doing stupid stuff like this bag thing with the potential to hold up the travels of everyone else following the rules.
I have the right to safe travels - I'm not quite sure about the rights of idiots and those intentionally breaking rules and testing those hired to do a job.
If you don't like the rules, don't fly.
I have the right to safe travels - I'm not quite sure about the rights of idiots and those intentionally breaking rules and testing those hired to do a job.
If you don't like the rules, don't fly.
I have the right to safe travels and what is constitutionally guaranteed to me as a citizen of this country. The fact that you think think citizens who you characterize as idiots and people frustrated with the system shouldn't enjoy the same contitutional rights is disgusting and outright unamerican.
If you don't like the rules, amend the Constitution or move to a fascist state.
What happened to the backbone of people in this country?
peace,
~Ben~
Sep 29, 2006, 1:31 pm
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Originally Posted by JohnneeO
Any person and/or institution is capable of violating another's constitutionally protected freedoms. When that actually happens, there is recourse in our judicial system.
In this case the OP essentially invited an attempt to violate his constitutionally protected freedoms.
The fact that the attempt was invited by no means justifies it; but it casts the OP in a role other than "innocent" bystander.
Anyway, his/her rights were not impinged; they were ultimately upheld.
Sep 29, 2006, 1:33 pm
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Originally Posted by Superguy
Actually, MKEBound did NOT want the attention and thought about just letting the TSA take care of it.
I think the fame should focus on the issue, which is finally being brought to light. MKEBound just happened to be the person to do it.
I think the fame should focus on the issue, which is finally being brought to light. MKEBound just happened to be the person to do it.
Sep 29, 2006, 1:34 pm
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Originally Posted by TwinsDG
I just would like to fly without attention-seekers trying to get their mug on CNN and doing stupid stuff like this bag thing with the potential to hold up the travels of everyone else following the rules.
The OP was "following the rules." Please explain to me where the OP violated ANY rules? The sole violation I see was attempted by the TSA; namely, preventing the OP from expressing a protected and fundamental right.
I know there's no way you're going to be convinced the OP's "mission" wasn't to "get his mug on CNN," but at least realize the facts of the matter as they stand. There are simply no rules against what the OP did, nor should there be, unless you want to utterly destroy the Constitution and all it stands for.
Originally Posted by TwinsDG
I have the right to safe travels - I'm not quite sure about the rights of idiots and those intentionally breaking rules and testing those hired to do a job.
It's not like he tried to bring even a fake weapon or bomb through security. He didn't even try to bring a prohibited item through. I can't think of any other way to "test" the screeners in the way you seem to believe occured.Besides, if the TSA officials involved had done the jobs they were hired for, and not strayed into responding negatively to someone's Constitutionally-protected opinion, this thread would not even exist.
Originally Posted by TwinsDG
If you don't like the rules, don't fly.
Sep 29, 2006, 1:38 pm
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Andy W. Was Right!
Originally Posted by TwinsDG
Enjoy your 15 minutes of fame because that's what you were looking for.