Why aren't saline implants banned?
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Originally Posted by J-M
No... not a valid point. You are either a man or a woman. A man with water-filled fake breasts outside of the body (i.e. as clothing) is not a woman. If they aren't real breasts, then you can't take it on the airplane. Fake breasts on a man are not allowed through and I see no reason why an exception should be made for cross-dressing.
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Originally Posted by J-M
You are either a man or a woman.
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Do gel bras have underwires? and do underwires set off a metal detector? I doubt it. So how would security even know if a woman has a gel bra unless they check out every single woman. And it would be easy for anyone intent on blowing up a plane to weave a packet of gel into their clothing.
Pretty soon removal of all articles of clothing will be required to pass through security.
Pretty soon removal of all articles of clothing will be required to pass through security.
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Originally Posted by ridgeback
Do gel bras have underwires? and do underwires set off a metal detector? I doubt it. So how would security even know if a woman has a gel bra unless they check out every single woman. And it would be easy for anyone intent on blowing up a plane to weave a packet of gel into their clothing.
Pretty soon removal of all articles of clothing will be required to pass through security.
Pretty soon removal of all articles of clothing will be required to pass through security.
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I would like to point out that these implants can be life saving!
"One Israeli woman has received an unexpected boost from her breast implants during the Lebanon war -- the silicone embeds saved her life during a Hezbollah rocket attack, a doctor said.
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'The young woman went through surgery two years ago to have a larger chest,' he said. 'During the war she was wounded in the chest by shrapnel' that got stuck in the implants instead of penetrating further."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060815...t_060815120717
"One Israeli woman has received an unexpected boost from her breast implants during the Lebanon war -- the silicone embeds saved her life during a Hezbollah rocket attack, a doctor said.
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'The young woman went through surgery two years ago to have a larger chest,' he said. 'During the war she was wounded in the chest by shrapnel' that got stuck in the implants instead of penetrating further."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060815...t_060815120717
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Originally Posted by J-M
No... not a valid point. You are either a man or a woman. A man with water-filled fake breasts outside of the body (i.e. as clothing) is not a woman. If they aren't real breasts, then you can't take it on the airplane. Fake breasts on a man are not allowed through and I see no reason why an exception should be made for cross-dressing.
I don't know any transgendered individuals, but from what I understand their gender identities even before surgery (if they opt for that) don't correlate to their physical sex, so saying "you're either a man or a woman" to these people is at best ignorantly simple-minded to the point of discrimination, and at worst downright cruel and bigoted.
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Originally Posted by pbiflyer
I would like to volunteer to be a water bra inspector. And yes, I would profile. I have always thought that terrorists would next use attractive women.
Better yet, I volunteer to monitor all females with saline or other gel implants and request that the parts of their body which have said implants be left exposed and observable throughout the flight.
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BREAST CANCER SURVIVORS with REMOVABLE SALINE BREAST PROSTHESIS(FALSIES)in their bra.
present an almost insurmountable problem for TSA if they REALLY want to remove any REAL THREAT.
On the one hand we face PUBLICLY HUMILIATING and demeaning hundreds of thousands of women who bear the horrible scars of having had their breasts cut off to try to save their lives and NOW they realistically COULD be required to remove the liquid or gel breast prosthesis from their bra that makes them look "normal" to people around them and parade in public as OBVIOUSLY DISFIGURED WITH ONLY ONE OR NO BREASTS. Something many cancer patients do not do even around their own family, and almost ALL never do even around friends and neighbors let alone STRANGERS!! How cruel this would be!!
BUT, IF TSA DOESN'T ADDRESS THIS PROBLEM, THEN IT BECOMES THE GUARANTEED NEXT METHOD TO SMUGGLE EXPLOSIVES ABOARD AN AIRCRAFT!! Terrorists only need one of their women who has had a REAL mastectomy or two to wear an instantly removable explosive gel filled prosthesis (or two)in her bra and they would have ALMOST TWO POUNDS OF EXPLOSIVE aboard the aircraft!!!
And, with the degree of male DOMINANCE Islamic males appear to have over their women, I would expect the most radical of them to even propose AN UNNECESSARY DOUBLE MASTECTOMY of one of their women, to assure the prostheses, if detected will be believed to be genuine, ordinary medical prostheses and pass security!!!
So, unless this problem IS addressed and addressed in a way that both preserves privacy, modesty and avoids humiliating cancer survivors and yet STILL VERIFYS those EXTERNAL, BRASSIERE WORN "FALSIES" are NOT carrying explosives then you are in just as much peril as if NOBODY WAS BEING SEARCHED AT ALL.
On the one hand we face PUBLICLY HUMILIATING and demeaning hundreds of thousands of women who bear the horrible scars of having had their breasts cut off to try to save their lives and NOW they realistically COULD be required to remove the liquid or gel breast prosthesis from their bra that makes them look "normal" to people around them and parade in public as OBVIOUSLY DISFIGURED WITH ONLY ONE OR NO BREASTS. Something many cancer patients do not do even around their own family, and almost ALL never do even around friends and neighbors let alone STRANGERS!! How cruel this would be!!
BUT, IF TSA DOESN'T ADDRESS THIS PROBLEM, THEN IT BECOMES THE GUARANTEED NEXT METHOD TO SMUGGLE EXPLOSIVES ABOARD AN AIRCRAFT!! Terrorists only need one of their women who has had a REAL mastectomy or two to wear an instantly removable explosive gel filled prosthesis (or two)in her bra and they would have ALMOST TWO POUNDS OF EXPLOSIVE aboard the aircraft!!!
And, with the degree of male DOMINANCE Islamic males appear to have over their women, I would expect the most radical of them to even propose AN UNNECESSARY DOUBLE MASTECTOMY of one of their women, to assure the prostheses, if detected will be believed to be genuine, ordinary medical prostheses and pass security!!!
So, unless this problem IS addressed and addressed in a way that both preserves privacy, modesty and avoids humiliating cancer survivors and yet STILL VERIFYS those EXTERNAL, BRASSIERE WORN "FALSIES" are NOT carrying explosives then you are in just as much peril as if NOBODY WAS BEING SEARCHED AT ALL.
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Originally Posted by AINITFUNNY
And, with the degree of male DOMINANCE Islamic males appear to have over their women, I would expect the most radical of them to even propose AN UNNECESSARY DOUBLE MASTECTOMY of one of their women, to assure the prostheses, if detected will be believed to be genuine, ordinary medical prostheses and pass security!!!
That said, your point of items being smuggled past the TSA is well-taken. Given all the money spent and all the foreknowledge of just such methods, that better explosives detection tools were not developed and deployed exposes government incompetence and a failure of leadership. Too bad such governmental incompetence does not mean that the incompetent leaders will necessarily be held to account for their failings. So we'll simply get more of the same old security nonsense, just with more "pomp and circumstance" (aka dog and pony show).
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Oddly enough, today I was thinking that its only a matter of time before some sicko conceives of surgically implanting an explosive device in someone and having them set it off while on a plane. Oops.
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Originally Posted by Internaut
Oddly enough, today I was thinking that its only a matter of time before some sicko conceives of surgically implanting an explosive device in someone and having them set it off while on a plane. Oops.
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Internaut and...
Your suggestions are NOT as real a threat as breast prosthesis is. WHY? Because if imaging or exams(YES they sometimes DO do intimate physical exams if other clues indicate that those exams are warranted) would detect what is OBVIOUSLY deliberately hidden contraband and it would not be permitted on the plane.
BUT.... A REAL breast prosthesis is NOT an "implant" and is not a "smuggled" or contraband item in the brassiere(even if it is found)! And, if the woman is verifyably a REAL mastectomy patient THE LARGE BAG(or bags) OF GEL WOULD NATURALLY BE ASSUMED TO BE A REAL, HARMLESS, MEDICAL PROSTHESIS FILLED WITH SALINE OR GEL AND WOULD PASS EXAMINATION AND SECURITY AND BE ALLOWED TO BE WORN INTO THE PASSENGER COMPARTMENT! That saline or gel in a REAL breast prosthesis could easily be replaced with two pounds of gel explosive.
Originally Posted by GUWonder
More than surgical implants: plastic bagged items taped inside or held by clothes; anal/rectal, oral and vaginal cavity stored items; and swallowed items.
BUT.... A REAL breast prosthesis is NOT an "implant" and is not a "smuggled" or contraband item in the brassiere(even if it is found)! And, if the woman is verifyably a REAL mastectomy patient THE LARGE BAG(or bags) OF GEL WOULD NATURALLY BE ASSUMED TO BE A REAL, HARMLESS, MEDICAL PROSTHESIS FILLED WITH SALINE OR GEL AND WOULD PASS EXAMINATION AND SECURITY AND BE ALLOWED TO BE WORN INTO THE PASSENGER COMPARTMENT! That saline or gel in a REAL breast prosthesis could easily be replaced with two pounds of gel explosive.
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Originally Posted by AINITFUNNY
Internaut and...
Your suggestions are NOT as real a threat as breast prosthesis is. WHY? Because if imaging or exams(YES they sometimes DO do intimate physical exams if other clues indicate that those exams are warranted) would detect what is OBVIOUSLY deliberately hidden contraband and it would not be permitted on the plane.
BUT.... A REAL breast prosthesis is NOT an "implant" and is not a "smuggled" or contraband item in the brassiere(even if it is found)! And, if the woman is verifyably a REAL mastectomy patient THE LARGE BAG(or bags) OF GEL WOULD NATURALLY BE ASSUMED TO BE A REAL, HARMLESS, MEDICAL PROSTHESIS FILLED WITH SALINE OR GEL AND WOULD PASS EXAMINATION AND SECURITY AND BE ALLOWED TO BE WORN INTO THE PASSENGER COMPARTMENT! That saline or gel in a REAL breast prosthesis could easily be replaced with two pounds of gel explosive.
Originally Posted by GUWonder
More than surgical implants: plastic bagged items taped inside or held by clothes; anal/rectal, oral and vaginal cavity stored items; and swallowed items.
BUT.... A REAL breast prosthesis is NOT an "implant" and is not a "smuggled" or contraband item in the brassiere(even if it is found)! And, if the woman is verifyably a REAL mastectomy patient THE LARGE BAG(or bags) OF GEL WOULD NATURALLY BE ASSUMED TO BE A REAL, HARMLESS, MEDICAL PROSTHESIS FILLED WITH SALINE OR GEL AND WOULD PASS EXAMINATION AND SECURITY AND BE ALLOWED TO BE WORN INTO THE PASSENGER COMPARTMENT! That saline or gel in a REAL breast prosthesis could easily be replaced with two pounds of gel explosive.
All the methods I've mentioned have been used to smuggle explosives before onto planes in the last 20 years. Such methods of smuggling as mentioned herein that have been intercepted certainly catch drugs more than explosives too. And yes, some breast prosthesis has been used to smuggle before.
Originally Posted by AINITFUNNY
Your suggestions are NOT as real a threat as breast prosthesis is. WHY? Because if imaging or exams(YES they sometimes DO do intimate physical exams if other clues indicate that those exams are warranted) would detect what is OBVIOUSLY deliberately hidden contraband and it would not be permitted on the plane.
By the way, a mastectomy need not be involved for women to use breast prosthetics of the sort you mentioned. After all, most gel-filled ones sold by retailers are used by women who have never had a mastectomy.
So much for the "Islamic males" proposing "AN UNNECESSARY DOUBLE MASTECTOMY" of "one of 'their' women" theory.
Last edited by GUWonder; Aug 16, 2006 at 4:50 am