Calm down people, I am willing to bet that essxjay knows the limits of who he represents and who he does not. He is just looking for examples to cite. I doubt that he would write,

"I represent all of FT, except of course for Lehava, mbtsu, and UMassCanuck07, who support these restrictions." Incidentally, is that a confirmation that Canucks are part of the U.S. as I always suspected? :):):)

If we keep this just to posting examples of over-reaction on the part of TSA from people who are willing to confirm them in a letter to Congress, it is a meaningful thread, otherwise it it heading straight to OMNI.

Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

This statement was used as a motto on the title page of An Historical Review of the Constitution and Government of Pennsylvania. (1759) which was attributed to Franklin in the edition of 1812, but in a letter of September 27, 1760 to David Hume, he states that he published this book and denies that he wrote it, other than a few remarks that were credited to the Pennsylvania Assembly, in which he served. The phrase itself was first used in a letter from that Assembly dated November 11, 1755 to the Governor of Pennsylvania. An article on the origins of this statement here includes a scan that indicates the original typography of the 1759 document, which uses an archaic form of "s": "Thoſe who would give up Essential Liberty to purchaſe a little Temporary Safety, deſerve neither Liberty nor Safety." Researchers now believe that a fellow diplomat by the name of Richard Jackson to be the primary author of the book. Confer this link http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Benjami...isattributions

Whoever wrote/spoke this sentence embodied the former American spirit. As noted in earlier posts, the United States is becoming a nation of Chicken Littles who lack both backbones and common sense. :td: :( :td:

HAHA!! I went to college in the US and work here now, so I fly mostly out of the US so it does effect me. But no way in hell are are or will we ever be a part of the US!

It does not matter if you fly daily for business or once a year with grandma and grandpa to Orlando... everyone who fly's get an opinion. Don't you live in the US? Doesn't everyone have a right to have an opinion on everything??? Just because I am a male, I can have an opinion on abortion, right?

franklin was in the midst of a revolution, we have to check our bags and take our shoes off!! where is your common sense?

according to his post, he does not know the limitations of whom he represents. i suppose i can just write a letter to his rep also and tell him that i represent flyertalk as well and offer him my viewpoint. so i guess it is a moot point then.

I don't have opinions on things which I know little to nothing about. People who don't fly regularly don't know what it is like to fly regularly and how these additional restrictions can result in massive lost time for these people. They don't know what they are talking about.

Note that I didn't say people who fly regularly have to have the same opinion. A regular traveler who agrees with these restrictions carries a lot more weight than a once a year flyer who disagrees with them.

Do you seriously expect them to sign an IOU? If they refuse, will you refuse to fly then? How far are you willing to go with this? Probably not that far, I suspect.

I just came through SFO international security in what must be the fastest I've ever got through here (less than 5 mins). Qantas handed out a list of prohibited items at the check-in counter so you wouldn't be surprised. I didn't need to repack a thing as I came prepared. I'm not particularly bothered with this liquid and gel ban.

Two of our company officers are Canucks and it's practically become a tradition around our office to tease them on every possible occasion. They take it in good humor -- or is that humour?

Dick

Oh trust me, I am used to it!

However, I just love it and feel some revenge when Americans ask me questions (in all honesty) like.... Did you drive a dogsled to school? and Do you have running water?.... I have been asked these questions and so many more by Americans and they were not joking.

I might be more supportive of the new rules if I was an infrequent traveller, and these measures only amounted to a couple of extra hours for me each year...and perhaps not even that b/c I usually check bags on long vacations anyway. However, the business traveller will have at least an hour (if not much more) added to each business trip waiting for checked bags that were once allowed as carryon. If this keeps up, it could easily eat up days of time for each business traveller each year.

We are in the midst of a revolution. Under the guise of fighting terrorism, our rights as Americans are being eroded. Did anyone else note the opinion from the United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit upholding searches on subways? So much for privacy and the Fourth Amendment for ordinary Americans.

Not sure I understand what you are talking about. I said nothing about security lines. I am solely referring to baggage checkin and baggage claim, two things that I and other business travellers usually do not do but now will have to with the ban on toothpaste, mouthwash, and other toiletries.

Refusing to sign an IOU could set up a lawsuit. International travel entering the United States is a far different matter than domestic travel within the United States. It is insulting that Americans cannot bring ordinary toiletries on domestic flights because of the actions of some Islamowackos in the UK. There has to be a better way...

wow...where can i get my musket?

your privacy ends at my right to protect myself. aka, your right to swing your fist ends at my nose. if want to share a plane with me, you lose many of your rights.

sorry, nothing, ever, ever, ever is going to change that. no matter how many revolutionary heros you quote.