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LessO2 Aug 8, 2006 7:55 am


Originally Posted by sbrower
Maybe things are getting less formal there. I flew back LHR-LAX (AA) about a little over a week ago and had no security interview (other than "Did you pack your bags?" at the ticket counter - but only the standard 2 questions).

Did you fly Biz of First? The last time I flew out of LHR several months ago (I try to avoid it in the first place), flying biz, I was exempt from the interviews.

SQFreak Aug 8, 2006 8:58 am


Originally Posted by Mats
Then what's the point of the two interviews that every passenger must undergo prior to boarding a US Airline in London?

If they can't bother checking the idiot no-fly list, why do they bother asking to see your hotel room service receipt to prove that you stayed at the Sheraton? Why do they bother putting your name into some PDA and asking if you've had your laptop repaired?

I've never had any interview like that all the times I've flown out of London (LGW mostly). But perhaps my US passport exempts me from that (yeah, right - I've gotten quizzed at US immigration).

But the reason they can't check the no-fly list is that the US government won't supply the no-fly list to any other country; they demand that all airlines transmit their manifest to DHS for checking. This, of course, has to happen airborne outside of US airspace.

Superguy Aug 8, 2006 9:16 am


Originally Posted by Flaflyer
In the whole history of the thousands of man hours spent asking "did you pack your bags or get any gifts from strangers" has an interviewer once been told anything like "As I was getting out of the taxi, this guy in a white robe and checked head scarf came up and asked if I would take this box to his brother Abdul in Chicago. He said it was a birthday present, but he did not have money to mail it. He said it was an antique Arabian time measuring device, and the ticking sound was normal. As a random act of kindness I said I would take the box to Chicago with me."

Even once? Anywhere in the world?

When I was a teenager, I was going back to school and my mom dropped me off at the skycap at PIT. The skycap asked if I packed my own bags and I said no. She got a little nervous then asked, "well, who did?" I just smiled and said "my mom did." :D

The lady laughed, but I think she was ready to slap me at the same time. :D

Super

GUWonder Aug 8, 2006 10:29 am


Originally Posted by Superguy
When I was a teenager, I was going back to school and my mom dropped me off at the skycap at PIT. The skycap asked if I packed my own bags and I said no. She got a little nervous then asked, "well, who did?" I just smiled and said "my mom did." :D

The lady laughed, but I think she was ready to slap me at the same time. :D

Super

That reminds me of an exchange when flying AA earlier this year:

"Who packed your bags?"
"What do you know, the butler did it." ;) :D

etch5895 Aug 8, 2006 10:41 am


Originally Posted by LessO2
Did you fly Biz of First? The last time I flew out of LHR several months ago (I try to avoid it in the first place), flying biz, I was exempt from the interviews.

So, are business and first passengers then not going to try to commit an act of terrorism aboard a plane? This is a perfect example of window dressing that does nothing for real security. It makes first time coach fliers feel more secure (gee, honey, they are really thorough here in their security checks, they wanted to know why I bought my hotel room seperate from my airline ticket), angers frequent travellers who have to explain for the 8th time to the 8th person that "yes, I am a single man and travel alone and yes, all I have is my backpack for a four day trip. Why is that, citizen? Because I don't like checking luggage, stupid!"

Meanwhile, 1st and Business passengers are whisked away from the peasants and don't have to answer anything. Get them off to the bar where they can have the sixth gin and tonic of the day.

All sarcasm aside, questioning some passengers but not others is nonsensical and a waste of time / personnel.

LessO2 Aug 8, 2006 10:48 am


Originally Posted by etch5895
All sarcasm aside, questioning some passengers but not others is nonsensical and a waste of time / personnel.

I agree.

It's similar to how the TSA doesn't think airport concession stand employees would ever carry a shoe bomb.

sbrower Aug 8, 2006 12:07 pm

Answers to 2 Prior Questions
 
Less02: Yes, I was in Business, but we used the coach check-in desk because there was a backlog at Business.

Answers to Questions: At TLV (about 14 years ago) I said "Yes, I received these wrapped gifts from my relatives. I don't know the contents." They spent about 30 minutes checking and/or conferring (I assume they called my relatives). They ultimately passed us through security, with the gifts still wrapped (the scanner obviously examined them like everything else).

GUWonder Aug 8, 2006 12:25 pm


Originally Posted by sbrower
Less02: Yes, I was in Business, but we used the coach check-in desk because there was a backlog at Business.

Answers to Questions: At TLV (about 14 years ago) I said "Yes, I received these wrapped gifts from my relatives. I don't know the contents." They spent about 30 minutes checking and/or conferring (I assume they called my relatives). They ultimately passed us through security, with the gifts still wrapped (the scanner obviously examined them like everything else).

Didn't you ever talk to your gift-giving relatives after having left them? Wouldn't they have later told you if they received a call from strangers asking about you?

FliesWay2Much Aug 8, 2006 1:34 pm


Originally Posted by Superguy
When I was a teenager, I was going back to school and my mom dropped me off at the skycap at PIT. The skycap asked if I packed my own bags and I said no. She got a little nervous then asked, "well, who did?" I just smiled and said "my mom did." :D

The lady laughed, but I think she was ready to slap me at the same time. :D

Super

...and how many tens of millions of us over the years defined "Has your luggage been under your control?" as including it being in the back seat of your rental car all day while you were inside at a meeting. :confused:

Yaatri Aug 8, 2006 2:13 pm


Originally Posted by Spiff
STUPID!!!! :mad:

That stands for Security Team for Uprooting Plots and ID (pax) or
Security Team for Uprooting Plots by Incredibly Dumb (people) or

Yaatri Aug 8, 2006 2:21 pm


Originally Posted by Flaflyer
In the whole history of the thousands of man hours spent asking "did you pack your bags or get any gifts from strangers" has an interviewer once been told anything like "As I was getting out of the taxi, this guy in a white robe and checked head scarf came up and asked if I would take this box to his brother Abdul in Chicago. He said it was a birthday present, but he did not have money to mail it. He said it was an antique Arabian time measuring device, and the ticking sound was normal. As a random act of kindness I said I would take the box to Chicago with me."

Even once? Anywhere in the world?

But if your aunt gave you something to you to take to your nephew in Detroit and you said yes, there will be more questioning. If you lie, then you risk even worse teratment should the truth come out.

L-1011 Aug 8, 2006 2:24 pm


Originally Posted by FliesWay2Much
...and how many tens of millions of us over the years defined "Has your luggage been under your control?" as including it being in the back seat of your rental car all day while you were inside at a meeting. :confused:

I answered "NO" to this question once at LGW. I saw the "big catch looks" on the face of the security guy and the disappointment when I told him that BA had my bags for a couple of hours that morning and I didn't know what they did with them :D


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