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-   -   Screening rules for flight crews? (https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/practical-travel-safety-security-issues/579164-screening-rules-flight-crews.html)

carmelita Jul 17, 2006 1:57 pm
Originally Posted by Spiff
That's also known as passenger harassment.

If the TSA going to invest in additional ETD/Puffers to legitimately check for explosives, that's one thing that would add to security.

"Continuous" secondaries that involve groping the passengers are nothing but harassment and I file complaints every time they occur and hope other passengers do as well and that they cc: their elected representatives so that the TSA is soon forever banned.

"groping" well we dont grope we pat-down and most of us are pretty good at the procedure especially respecting the areas that are not to be touched wrong. I really dont like when tou call it groping
people make it sould like we really like to harrass pax and touch them all oover
when thats not the case

Spiff Jul 17, 2006 2:03 pm
Originally Posted by carmelita
"groping" well we dont grope we pat-down and most of us are pretty good at the procedure especially respecting the areas that are not to be touched wrong. I really dont like when tou call it groping
people make it sould like we really like to harrass pax and touch them all oover
when thats not the case
No one should be touched unless there is an alarm that cannot be resolved.

Yes, it is groping. I find it disgusting and offensive when some guy touches me for no valid reason. I file a complaint each and every time this happens and I hope that others do as well.

It's completely unnecessary to grope someone who has no unresolved alarm.

Superguy Jul 17, 2006 2:05 pm
Originally Posted by carmelita
I really dont like when tou call it groping
people make it sould like we really like to harrass pax and touch them all oover
when thats not the case
Problem is that there are a lot of screeners that like to bully pax with their new found authority. Just take a look at Bruce's thread yesterday about one that tried to retaliate with "continuous" screening for just one example.

gre Jul 17, 2006 2:13 pm
Do the armed pilots carry their gat in their screened bag or is it left on the bus?

Just curious because an old friend of the family is an ex-military, armed NW pilot. He won't tell me what he does with his piece or anything about it, all hush hush you know. What he gets steamed about is that even though he can carry a roscoe on the plane he still has to take off his big old cowboy belt buckle to get through screening. :D

gomeztravel Jul 17, 2006 2:26 pm
has anyone else experienced this...
 
while the flight crew is getting a cut in line and telling you to move out of the way because I have a flight to catch. Gee, I was just standing here at the security check point for the hell of it.!!!!! Maybe they should arrive to the airport on time like us!

Spiff Jul 17, 2006 2:28 pm
Originally Posted by gomeztravel
while the flight crew is getting a cut in line and telling you to move out of the way because I have a flight to catch. Gee, I was just standing here at the security check point for the hell of it.!!!!! Maybe they should arrive to the airport on time like us!
I've never been told something like that. I know the airline employees get to take cuts, so I just get out of the way.

A couple of times I have offered to let crew go ahead and they declined. Very classy of them. ^

gomeztravel Jul 17, 2006 2:35 pm
Originally Posted by Spiff
I've never been told something like that. I know the airline employees get to take cuts, so I just get out of the way.

A couple of times I have offered to let crew go ahead and they declined. Very classy of them. ^

I have let them go in front of me on many occasions too, but this one was very rude. I just needed to vent.

Spiff Jul 17, 2006 2:37 pm
Originally Posted by gomeztravel
I have let them go in front of me on many occasions too, but this one was very rude. I just needed to vent.
Quite understandable.

gre Jul 17, 2006 2:43 pm
Originally Posted by Spiff
A couple of times I have offered to let crew go ahead and they declined. Very classy of them. ^
We must be flying out of different airports. I mostly get the impression that I'm inconveniencing them by taking up space in the line they want to get past.

Doppy Jul 17, 2006 7:09 pm
Originally Posted by Superguy
I've never said that they shouldn't be screened. I don't know where you got that idea.
That was what it sounded like you were saying in post #6. Usually when people pull out the "the pilots can crash the plane" line it is part of their "people wearing uniforms shouldn't be screened" argument. That one has been made a number of times here before.

PatrickHenry1775 Jul 17, 2006 10:04 pm
Originally Posted by carmelita
well we dont see it as harrassment most of do a good job of the screening...its all a process of getting on a safe plane..

so what do you suggest woud be the procedure of getting on a plane...when TSA is premanently disbanded.....
Oh, for starters, screen everything loaded onto all passenger airliners, including cargo. Screen all workers who have access to the "sterile area" with the same intense vigilance devoted to passengers. Two simple suggestions.

Superguy Jul 17, 2006 11:06 pm
Originally Posted by Doppy
That was what it sounded like you were saying in post #6. Usually when people pull out the "the pilots can crash the plane" line it is part of their "people wearing uniforms shouldn't be screened" argument. That one has been made a number of times here before.
Screen them for prohibitied items, sure. They don't need to be harassed with SSSS or be targets of the shoe carnival though.

ND Sol Jul 17, 2006 11:09 pm
Originally Posted by Superguy
Screen them for prohibitied items, sure. They don't need to be harassed with SSSS or be targets of the shoe carnival though.
And neither do the passengers (their customers). :)

n5667 Jul 18, 2006 12:29 am
Originally Posted by gre
Do the armed pilots carry their gat in their screened bag or is it left on the bus?

Just curious because an old friend of the family is an ex-military, armed NW pilot. He won't tell me what he does with his piece or anything about it, all hush hush you know. What he gets steamed about is that even though he can carry a roscoe on the plane he still has to take off his big old cowboy belt buckle to get through screening. :D
If he's being screened, he's doing something wrong.

gre Jul 18, 2006 5:31 am
Originally Posted by n5667
If he's being screened, he's doing something wrong.
Well, the thing is, he won't divulge any details. He won't tell me if he's packing all the time or just some of the time. He won't discuss his rules of engagement. It's annoying when a guy give you just enough info to be interested but no more.

It could be that he expects a free pass through security all of the time because he gets it some of the time.


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