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Just curious: Do you recall which airline this $10-million-per-year bigshot was flying?
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Originally Posted by Bart
The hypothetical question posed to me is if I would ever use physical force in self defense. I truly can't answer that. I know that to hit back would only complicate the matter and make me liable for whatever assault charges arise as well as simply violate the code of conduct expected by TSA from its employees. I think that if someone were to hit me, I'd step back and wait for law enforcement to take over. But if that person were determined to continue hitting me or to seriously hurt me, well.......
RANGERS LEAD THE WAY! HOOAH! Suppose, for example, that a screener in a process of patting me down reaches upward towards my private parts. Do I have a right to step back and/or block his hand? Actually, the question is not entirely hypothetical. It did happen to me once, but it was before I took up martial arts training. |
Originally Posted by mikeon
Even professional people will have the few bad apples that ruin it for everyone else.
We're not talking about real passengers in 'professional' occupations. I concur, there are some real a:mad:holes among those. |
Originally Posted by Bart
Keeping in mind that I said "f**king idiot" as opposed to just "idiot." Point is that when a person begins to verbally abuse a screening officer, I just refer the matter to the police. .
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Originally Posted by Bart
3. The x-ray machines at checkpoint are safe. However, it may expose sensitive film at speeds of 800 ASA/ISO and higher. The article is misleading; you should have your film hand inspected at 800 ASA/ISO and higher. Regardless, you always have the right to request that your film be inspected no matter what speed. This only applies to 35mm film. Digital cameras must be x-rayed; videotapes must be x-rayed. There's a misconception about x-rays. It's x-ray film that cannot be x-rayed. Many people request that their x-ray pictures be handchecked, and many screeners erroneously believe that x-ray pictures can be damaged. This is untrue. The film has already been exposed and is no different than a photograph. The x-ray machine will only affect unexposed x-ray film.
Now, I usually shoot ASA 400. Is it any wonder I want my film hand inspected? |
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Originally Posted by Wally Bird
Seems Stephen's point has gotten a bit garbled here. The 'professionals' in question are GAO (or whatever agency/office) employees performing a specific task. I can't think why they would raise bogus or revenge complaints, except perhaps for some inter-agency rivalry.
We're not talking about real passengers in 'professional' occupations. I concur, there are some real a:mad:holes among those. Whether the people in the field are GAO employees or professionals contracted by the GAO to provide this service, I doubt the feedback is going to be skewed on a personal level. Field employees at most companies live with the mystery shopper experience on a daily basis...why should the TSA, a customer-facing organization with severe customer service issues (and losing this battle every day) be exempt from this opportunity to enhance staff compliance and proactively identify problem employees? |
Originally Posted by Bart
Actually, you do have that right. As long as you're talking about either stepping back. Blocking his hand may be a matter of case-by-case judgment. You should exercise caution before doing that. A woman was convicted of assault when she grabbed a female screener's breasts in retaliation for a pat down. Instead, you should immediately ask for a supervisor AND an airline supervisor.
Originally Posted by Bart
It's not assault, but it is inappropriate behavior. The screener should explain to you the necessity to pat down a sensitive area and explain how he or she is going to do it. The screener should also offer you an opportunity to have this done in a private screening room out of public view.
When I tried to argue that I had a right to an explanation or to have this done in private, I was told point blank: "You foreigners have no rights here!". I guess, rules are different if you have a strong foreign accent and your name begins with "criminal" letters "AL". Ironically, this took place at the airport named after President's father. |
Originally Posted by PoliceStateSurvivor
I tried to speak to the supervisor. The response was the usual set of threats to make me miss my flight if I persist in complaining, to have me arrested, etc....
When I tried to argue that I had a right to an explanation or to have this done in private, I was told point blank: "You foreigners have no rights here!". I guess, rules are different if you have a strong foreign accent and your name begins with "criminal" letters "AL". Ironically, this took place at the airport named after President's father. |
Originally Posted by bocastephen
Please tell me you recorded the name and ID number of each of these people and intend on persuing it with your local Congressional leadership. Both of these people need pink slips...you would be saving countless other passengers from the same hassle you went through.
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"Biggest mistake you could ever make is to grab, hit, or otherwise strike a TSA officer..."
Far bigger mistake is to believe anyone working secondary under the pledged Dignity and Respect promises of TSA. Idiots. Damned idiots. Damned LYING idiots. Almost as bad as statisticians. HOO- HAH! |
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