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Fredd Mar 20, 2006 8:20 am


Originally Posted by hockeyguy
IMO, there are two basic core problems: 1) a lack of consistency, and 2) poor communication. Most TSA screeners don't seem to understand how much the screening process varies between airport and how even frequent travelers may not know or remember the procedures at any given airport.

True. We now habitually ask if we'll need our boarding passes again because of the variation. An unexpected demand can present a problem because it's not uncommon for one member of a couple or larger party to carry all of the boarding passes.

For another minor example, some screeners want the shoes in a basket, while others have told us not to put the shoes in a basket.

We're comfortable in SEA, as hockeyguy is in DEN, but we've experienced problems in the lineup in DEN once, and hockeyguy might have the same in SEA, simply because of the inconsistency.

It must be that much more annoying for folks who fly infrequently, or, since they hardly ever go through it, not. ;)

Bart Mar 20, 2006 8:32 am

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LEX-LGA Commuter Mar 20, 2006 10:30 am

Of course, one of us is a trained intelligence interrogator with experience in assessing human behavior,

OMG! :o

We agree! One of us certainly is - but it's me!

United States Army, John F Kennedy Special Warfare Center, Fort Bragg North Carolina. Psychological Operations Officer Course (3A-SI5E). Graduated on 18 MAY 1990.

ROTFLMAO - I'm not sure how much egg you can get off your face right now, but have at it, mister "trained intelligence interrogator with experience in assessing human behavior". And you talk about other people making assumptions? Good lord!

Dave Robertson
Major, Infantry
US Army, retired

doober Mar 20, 2006 10:45 am


Originally Posted by LEX-LGA Commuter
Of course, one of us is a trained intelligence interrogator with experience in assessing human behavior,

OMG! :o

We agree! One of us certainly is - but it's me!

United States Army, John F Kennedy Special Warfare Center, Fort Bragg North Carolina. Psychological Operations Officer Course (3A-SI5E). Graduated on 18 MAY 1990.

ROTFLMAO - I'm not sure how much egg you can get off your face right now, but have at it, mister "trained intelligence interrogator with experience in assessing human behavior". And you talk about other people making assumptions? Good lord!

Dave Robertson
Major, Infantry
US Army, retired

Love it - thank you!!!! Made my day.

Fredd Mar 20, 2006 10:55 am

FBI profiler Jack Crawford in The Silence of the Lambs offers up that lovely old quotation that starts, "When you assume..." ;)

Dovster Mar 20, 2006 11:09 am


Originally Posted by LEX-LGA Commuter
Of course, one of us is a trained intelligence interrogator with experience in assessing human behavior,

OMG! :o

We agree! One of us certainly is - but it's me!

United States Army, John F Kennedy Special Warfare Center, Fort Bragg North Carolina. Psychological Operations Officer Course (3A-SI5E). Graduated on 18 MAY 1990.

ROTFLMAO - I'm not sure how much egg you can get off your face right now, but have at it, mister "trained intelligence interrogator with experience in assessing human behavior". And you talk about other people making assumptions? Good lord!

Dave Robertson
Major, Infantry
US Army, retired

Major, it is my understanding that Bart has the same rank as you do and was not in the Infantry but rather in AIS.

I think that might leave you doing the egg-wiping.

Superguy Mar 20, 2006 11:14 am

Oh boy! A pissing match is coming!

*gets popcorn*

LEX-LGA Commuter Mar 20, 2006 11:20 am

Oh boy! A pissing match is coming!

Not that I'll be a part of. I've had my say - here and in a PM to Bart. I'm done.

Fredd Mar 20, 2006 2:36 pm


Originally Posted by Superguy
Oh boy! A pissing match is coming!

*gets popcorn*

If that's what you're looking for, except this soldier's only a captain:

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0320062tank1.html

Superguy Mar 20, 2006 3:13 pm

Oh my gosh. What an idiot.

Bart Mar 20, 2006 10:41 pm

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whirledtraveler Mar 20, 2006 11:00 pm


Originally Posted by Bart
Then that's two of us who is trained, not so sure about experienced. But I don't see it as egg on the face. I am still disappointed that with your experience you would resort to stereotyping and hyperbole. I honestly don't see what is so wrong about working at retail, security or in any other service/customer service industry. I certainly don't look down my nose at people who work in those arenas.

YG81, 35E, INSCOM for most of my career with the obligatory and occasional FORSCOM assignments to keep my OPMF competitive. By the time you graduated from your course, I had already been conducting real-world, live interrogations for almost 10 years.

This isn't a matter of one-upmanship.

:rolleyes:

Dovster Mar 21, 2006 1:15 am


Originally Posted by whirledtraveler
:rolleyes:


WhirledTraveler, I am a little bit familiar with what Bart went through -- although I was a lowly enlisted man in AIS and the training I had paled in comparison to his.

I have also seen people with his MOS at work and, yes, they do know what they are doing. After LEX-LGA Commuter cited his own training and questioned Bart's I think he had every right to let us know his background.

LEX-LGA Commuter Mar 21, 2006 2:26 am


Originally Posted by Dovster
WhirledTraveler, I am a little bit familiar with what Bart went through -- although I was a lowly enlisted man in AIS and the training I had paled in comparison to his.

That's twice you've mentioned AIS, and I will go ahead and admit my ignorance. Do you mean the ASA by any chance? I would certainly assume that you are not referring to the Army's automated information systems. ;)

And I was also once a "lowly enlisted man", draftee actually, with a BPED of 16JUN71. Won the lottery big time with a 103. Went to USACSEWS at Ft Huachuca as an EW specialist. 26M20.

As to "looking down" on people, I look down on no one who is working in any capacity, period. However Bart, I will go on the record right now as stating that the TSA has done a terrible job in eliminating the "bully factor" within its employee base. There are simply far too many instances of it documented here almsot daily for it not to be true! It is clear to me that you (collective you) have often given the wrong people more power and authority than they have ever had in their lives, and it goes right to their heads. As a graduate of several courses at Fort Benning, some of these people greatly remind me of the stereotypical Southern cop. "You in a heap of trouble there boy!"

So, we're just going to have to continue to disagree I suppose.

GUWonder Mar 21, 2006 2:46 am


Originally Posted by LEX-LGA Commuter
That's twice you've mentioned AIS, and I will go ahead and admit my ignorance. Do you mean the ASA by any chance? I would certainly assume that you are not referring to the Army's automated information systems. ;)

I thought ASA became AIS/INSCOM in the late 1970s or so. But that's not my cup of tea so this could be way out there.


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