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bambi47 Dec 14, 2005 11:10 pm


Originally Posted by SDF_Traveler
In the private industry, the bad apples tend to get fired quickly in a professional setting. This doesn't seem to work in the government, especially with the TSA.

SDF_Traveler

YOur so right. It seems with the TSA, of which I am a part, that the competent screeners that question things that are wrong, get fired. And no one will ever back them up. I've seen it happen alot, to alot of great screeners. If you want to keep your job, don't EVER question anything. :(

24th ID Dec 14, 2005 11:57 pm


Originally Posted by TSASCRNR

Metal shield or not, its the oath that counts.

Thanks.

You continue to contradict yourself. Your screen name even states, TSASCRNR, which I assume means TSA Screener.

Metal shield or not.....hhmmm.

You have no arrest authority. You can not serve search or arrest warrants. You carry no weapon. You have no investigative authority. These attributes are those of LEOs, fed or civi. Although some are attributes are those of other professions, such as carrying a weapon, ie; security OFFICERS.

The word within your title does not qualifiy you or make you an LEO. If that were the case, CEO's CFO's, security officers, commissioned and non-commisioned personel officers in the armed forces, etc. would all be cops. But they are not.

Your position as a TSA screener has been reclassified to that of 1802, Compliance Inspection and Support. Here is a link....... http://usgovinfo.about.com/blocodes.htm

Here is another imformative link that provides a detailed explanation of your position, but not your duties......... http://www.opm.gov/CLASSAPP/fedclass/gs1802.pdf#search='1802%20compliance%20inspection% 20and%20support%20definition'

Please note the Exclusion section of the document, especially item #1.

LEO's are classified in several positions, 1801, 0083 (Police Officers), 1811 (Criminal Investigators), 0025 (LE Park Ranger), and there may be others. 1802 is not one. I repeat, it does not make you a LEO. No shape, no form. Metal shield or cloth. Officer or screener in the title. If it quacks......

We have had this discussion in the past although you continue to mislead your position as that of being a Law Enforcement Officer or an officer that enforces the law.

What must be said or done that would deter you from making these innuendos?

TSASCRNR Dec 15, 2005 9:38 am

O boy, you again.

Who changed the title of the job? Me, or TSA? OK.

Who swore us in? Me, or TSA? OK.

Stop coming here and slamming us, many of us enjoy our job and want to help(which is what I meant by metal shield or not). I am just stating reality.

To original poster:
More than likely YOU WILL BE DENIED. But as eyecue said, file it anyway and see what happens.

It is all hearsay unless there was a witness, or you reported it on the spot as broken to a higher authority.

I filed pot hole claims before because I hit it, and it damaged my rim/tie rod...etc. I had TOUGH LUCK said to me.

Goodluck to you.

AA2070 Dec 15, 2005 11:11 am


Originally Posted by TSASCRNR
I filed pot hole claims before because I hit it, and it damaged my rim/tie rod...etc. I had TOUGH LUCK said to me.

Difference: YOU were driving the car, and should have been watching where you were going. Tough luck indeed. I, however, am not the one who damaged my property. Your egomaniacal, jack-booted, self-important coworkers are the ones who caused damage, and for that, they have no oversight and no accountability. That, TSASCRNR, is the damn shame here.

TSASCRNR Dec 15, 2005 11:28 am

Ok, they will tell you, YOU HAD THE OPTION.

In conclusion, once again; Goodluck.

par Dec 15, 2005 12:40 pm


Originally Posted by bambi47
YOur so right. It seems with the TSA, of which I am a part, that the competent screeners that question things that are wrong, get fired. And no one will ever back them up. I've seen it happen alot, to alot of great screeners. If you want to keep your job, don't EVER question anything. :(

This is sad to hear. This type of climate empowers bullies, incompetence and insensitivity. I have no doubts that this is a reality for many of the locales that is served by the TSA and i can only hope that oversight is on the horizon so that this culture of superiority and arbitrary retailiation against passengers who asserts their rights under the law will go away.

All government employees needs to be empowered to improve their agencies charter and their image in the public eye. In the case of TSA employees that come up with ideas to make the sky safer and the interaction with the travelling public smoother should be rewarded not fired. I guess there is a lot of "i know best" attitude and not much open discussion and critical thinking.

GUWonder Dec 15, 2005 3:15 pm

The TSA pays for a lot of things that don't work, but it's very hard to get them to pay for things that they break.

FWAAA Dec 15, 2005 3:18 pm


Originally Posted by GUWonder
The TSA pays for a lot of things that don't work, but it's very hard to get them to pay for things that they break.

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Post of the Week!

docmonkey Dec 15, 2005 3:22 pm


Originally Posted by GUWonder
The TSA pays for a lot of things that don't work, but it's very hard to get them to pay for things that they break.

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bambi47 Dec 15, 2005 7:39 pm


Originally Posted by par
This is sad to hear. This type of climate empowers bullies, incompetence and insensitivity. I have no doubts that this is a reality for many of the locales that is served by the TSA and i can only hope that oversight is on the horizon so that this culture of superiority and arbitrary retailiation against passengers who asserts their rights under the law will go away.

All government employees needs to be empowered to improve their agencies charter and their image in the public eye. In the case of TSA employees that come up with ideas to make the sky safer and the interaction with the travelling public smoother should be rewarded not fired. I guess there is a lot of "i know best" attitude and not much open discussion and critical thinking.

Its not so much an "I know best" attitude as it is a "your not allowed to speak to me" attitude. We're not allowed to see the FSD about anything. Its near impossible to get near him. And the DFSD and AFSD's ARE the problem so there is no point in talking to them. They make his appointments, answer his calls, etc. He only knows what they want him to know. :(

par Dec 16, 2005 12:46 am

So they are sheltered. Hmmm, that reminds me of some other leaders who made a name for themselves throughout history... None of them are viewed as particularly great leaders... :)

maples Dec 16, 2005 8:32 am


Originally Posted by TSASCRNR
The fact of the matter stands; if you did not like the way he/she was repacking, you could have said STOP I WILL DO IT. You did not. You could have complained right then and there, you did not.

I have been flat out told "No, I must repack it" from a screener after getting
my bag completely unpacked. I had a brown paper bag with my dinner in it (because you know that flights don't feed you any more) and I said there was food in it and the food bag was pack ON THE BOTTOM of the bag, putting my books on top of it. Needless to say the food was ruined. I didn't cop an attitude before to deserve such behavior except that I was miffed about the extra screening of my bag because I didn't have a whole lot of time to get down the concourse to my flight (not due to bad timing on my part - flight got cancelled and was reassigned to new flight with not much time to get myself through security).

Most of my experiences with the TSA have been okay, but I've had a few encounters that had made me want to go balastic.

This was in Nov 04, in BWI.

My next experience with TSA will be with a infant, those screeners better be careful, my son has deadly aim with his spitup. :p

n5667 Dec 16, 2005 2:02 pm


Originally Posted by maples
I have been flat out told "No, I must repack it" from a screener after getting

Right then and there, you should have asked to a speak with a supervisor - once the bag has been cleared, you're allowed to do what you wish with it. I don't even repack it; I'm just used to passengers usually preferring to repack the bag themselves.

shiner Dec 16, 2005 3:48 pm


Originally Posted by n5667
Right then and there, you should have asked to a speak with a supervisor - once the bag has been cleared, you're allowed to do what you wish with it. I don't even repack it; I'm just used to passengers usually preferring to repack the bag themselves.

The point is, that people don't know that they have this option. The TSA certainly doesn't advertise this. Most people when told by an 'officer' that they cannot repack their own bag don't question it for fear of being told "you're not flying today".

The policy isn't consistent and many screeners make up the rules as they go. Oh, right 'a few bad apples'... Been hearing that a lot lately.

ND Sol Dec 16, 2005 6:12 pm


Originally Posted by maples
I have been flat out told "No, I must repack it" from a screener after getting
my bag completely unpacked. I had a brown paper bag with my dinner in it (because you know that flights don't feed you any more) and I said there was food in it and the food bag was pack ON THE BOTTOM of the bag, putting my books on top of it. Needless to say the food was ruined. I didn't cop an attitude before to deserve such behavior except that I was miffed about the extra screening of my bag because I didn't have a whole lot of time to get down the concourse to my flight (not due to bad timing on my part - flight got cancelled and was reassigned to new flight with not much time to get myself through security).

Most of my experiences with the TSA have been okay, but I've had a few encounters that had made me want to go balastic.

This was in Nov 04, in BWI.

My next experience with TSA will be with a infant, those screeners better be careful, my son has deadly aim with his spitup. :p

Maples, welcome to FlyerTalk! Hope that you will enjoy posting and discussing matters with all of us.

Sorry to hear about dinner.


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