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SkiAdcock Sep 21, 2004 1:16 am


Originally Posted by eyecue
Since 9/11/01 there has been 4 passengers killed on aircraft flights for getting out of control. These people were killed by other passengers. 3 of the four have been ruled justifiable homicides. The fourth is still pending.

That's interesting. You'd think the media would have picked up on that. Where's your reference or urls; please post. Consider it a macabre interest, but would like to know under what circumstances they occurred. Saw it once on CSI, but that was telly of course & so not the same.

On to the original topic - it was ridiculous the woman was arrested in the first place & also ridiculous that an apology wasn't done right away to defuse the situation.

Cheers. Sharon

FWAAA Sep 21, 2004 2:29 am


Originally Posted by robodeer
and yet, there was no mention of procedure that had to be done...

:confused:

Are you asserting that the morons in charge of this f'd up mess followed mandatory procedures? If so, the drafters of those procedures should be fired.

FWAAA Sep 21, 2004 2:54 am


Originally Posted by eyecue
Since 9/11/01 there has been 4 passengers killed on aircraft flights for getting out of control. These people were killed by other passengers. 3 of the four have been ruled justifiable homicides. The fourth is still pending.

Do you have links to stories?

The only one with which I am familiar is Southwest Airlines passenger Jonathan Burton's death, but that happened on Aug 11, 2000:

http://www.cnn.com/2000/US/09/16/passenger.dead.ap/

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:S...assenger&hl=en

Burton's death was the inspiration for the CSI episode mentioned by SkiAdcock.

If 4 more have happened in the past 3 years, they received scant media attention.

robodeer Sep 21, 2004 3:50 am


Originally Posted by FWAAA
:confused:

Are you asserting that the morons in charge of this f'd up mess followed mandatory procedures?

i would imagine they were following procedure.

did the screener stop the bag because s/he knew it was a bookmark?

Dovster Sep 21, 2004 11:05 am

A few weeks ago, I was in Ben Gurion Airport getting my security check before getting on a flight to Turkey.

I was asked one of the routine questions that every traveller here is asked: "Do you have any weapon in your baggage?"

My reply: "I have the two most powerful weapons in the history of the world. A book and a pen."

This led to a very enjoyable few minutes as she and I discussed philosophy before I checked in.

I wonder what the reaction would have been if I gave that same reply to a TSA screener. I have the feeling that at the very least I would have been SSSSed and very probably fined or arrested.

I think a philosophical discussion would never have followed my remark!

Savvy Traveler Sep 21, 2004 11:10 am


Originally Posted by Dovster
I wonder what the reaction would have been if I gave that same reply to a TSA screener. I have the feeling that at the very least I would have been SSSSed and very probably fined or arrested.

I think a philosophical discussion would never have followed my remark!

Are you kidding? You would have been fined and arrested! :rolleyes:

Nothing against (most of) the TSA posters on this board, but a philosophical discussion would require a lot more intelligence than I have observed in the Age of TSA.

eyecue Sep 21, 2004 11:12 am

good one
 

Originally Posted by Dovster
A few weeks ago, I was in Ben Gurion Airport getting my security check before getting on a flight to Turkey.

I was asked one of the routine questions that every traveller here is asked: "Do you have any weapon in your baggage?"

My reply: "I have the two most powerful weapons in the history of the world. A book and a pen."

This led to a very enjoyable few minutes as she and I discussed philosophy before I checked in.

I wonder what the reaction would have been if I gave that same reply to a TSA screener. I have the feeling that at the very least I would have been SSSSed and very probably fined or arrested.

I think a philosophical discussion would never have followed my remark!

Hit em with the book and stab them with the pen!

law dawg Sep 21, 2004 11:13 am


Originally Posted by ender83
Are you kidding? You would have been fined and arrested! :rolleyes:

Nothing against (most of) the TSA posters on this board, but a philosophical discussion would require a lot more intelligence than I have observed in the Age of TSA.

Nothing against you TSA people but you are all dumb as turds.

Yeah, you make friends easily everywhere you go, I bet.

And if you wish a philosophical discussion - I'm you're Huckleberry. Don't work for TSA though, but am a fed. Is that sufficiently pedantic enough for you?

Dovster Sep 21, 2004 12:11 pm

In November, I will be flying TLV-FLL-MXP.

I will be carrying with me five Israeli t-shirts to give to people when I get to Italy.

One of them says "ISRAELI POLICE BOMB SQUAD".

After reading about the bookmark and the famed BOB incident in Oz, I am not taking any chances. That t-shirt will be in my checked baggage, in a see-through Ziplock bag, packed with the other four on top and bottom.

If not, I am seriously concerned that the TSA will see only the word "BOMB", ignore the rest of it, and close down the terminal until the matter is straightened out.

studentff Sep 21, 2004 12:31 pm


Originally Posted by Dovster
If not, I am seriously concerned that the TSA will see only the word "BOMB", ignore the rest of it, and close down the terminal until the matter is straightened out.

If the letters are not the sewn-in type, consider turning the shirt inside out before you pack it. That way even if they open up the plastic bag and rummage around the shirts, they still might not see the writing. I can't imagine non-malicious baggage screeners having the time to turn a shirt inside-out; if they're malicious you're screwed anyway.

How silly society has become that we even have to have this conversation . . .

Georgia Peach Sep 28, 2004 6:59 pm

Common sense and the TSA are mutually exclusive. ;)

clrankin Sep 28, 2004 9:07 pm

I guess we're all now so much more secure that the offending bookmark and obvious teacher-turned-terrorist have been stopped by some brainiac... :rolleyes:

I guess that's what happens when reason and common sense take a back seat to fear-mongering, security window dressing, and the hopes of getting your name mentioned as the next "saviour of the skies". Perhaps things will change some day... But I'm not counting on it.

No offense to some of the folks that post here, but the interactions I've had with the average TSA employee have led me to believe that these jobs aren't held by the most intelligent of folks. And unfortunately these folks don't employ common sense, reason, etiquette, or manners nearly as much as they should be for front-line folks that deal with the public on a daily basis. Part of the TSA's problem is an image problem-- and they aren't doing anything about it.

law dawg Sep 28, 2004 9:22 pm


Originally Posted by clrankin
I guess we're all now so much more secure that the offending bookmark and obvious teacher-turned-terrorist have been stopped by some brainiac... :rolleyes:

I guess that's what happens when reason and common sense take a back seat to fear-mongering, security window dressing, and the hopes of getting your name mentioned as the next "saviour of the skies". Perhaps things will change some day... But I'm not counting on it.

No offense to some of the folks that post here, but the interactions I've had with the average TSA employee have led me to believe that these jobs aren't held by the most intelligent of folks. And unfortunately these folks don't employ common sense, reason, etiquette, or manners nearly as much as they should be for front-line folks that deal with the public on a daily basis. Part of the TSA's problem is an image problem-- and they aren't doing anything about it.

You, amongst many others, seem to think that employees get up every morning thinking "Let's see whos rights I can violate today".

Mostly it is "Well, I have been told to do X so I will do X".

And please no comparisons to the Nazis. There is a world of difference between intensive security and gassing people.

AArlington Sep 28, 2004 9:26 pm


Originally Posted by law dawg
And please no comparisons to the Nazis.

Jawohl, Mein Herr! :D

law dawg Sep 28, 2004 9:29 pm


Originally Posted by AArlington
Jawohl, Mein Herr! :D

<sigh>.


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