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Savvy Traveler Sep 17, 2004 2:19 pm


Originally Posted by studentff
TSA needs to learn to apologize. Sure we all make mistakes. But instead of saying they "probably won't impose a fine," some administrator in DC and the local FSD should have come out and said "We apologize to Ms. Harrington for our mistake and for the humiliation she endured. While there is no way we can completely restore the dignity lost in this incident, we assure her than no sanction will be imposed and the screeners at this airport will be retrained in what constitutes a 'threat.''"

See how simple that would be?

And it would shut up (most) of the complainers. And it would be the right thing to do.

^ ^ A good approach which, unfortunately for Ms. Harrington, would require an organization capable of recognizing its deficiencies.

AArlington Sep 17, 2004 2:32 pm

The quote next to her picture at the previously mentioned link: http://www.sptimes.com/2004/09/17/Hi...me_Totin.shtml

Harrington says she cried for hours after being arrested.
certainly sums it up.

I wish all screeners were as responsible as Bart. Since there is the human element, that won't ever happen. But... the system failed here. The screener, the LEO, and the silly TSA Administrator who stated:


"I think at this point we've decided not to pursue a civil penalty," said TSA spokeswoman Lauren Stover. "But it's not a decision that can be made on the spot. These are things that require an investigation."
are all complete bafoons. The only investigation here is how the system failed; not the poor old lady and her book.

How can you expect passengers to remain calm in this situation???


Harrington and her college-aged sons were flying home from a vacation in Orlando and Sarasota Aug. 17
Her college aged sons deserve a medal for their restraint in not going completely ape S*** in defense of their mother.


According to the TSA's official prohibited items list, anyone who brings any banned item to a screening checkpoint, even accidentally, may be criminally or civilly prosecuted. Even items that are not specifically listed, but could be considered dangerous, are illegal.
The only thing I *consider* dangerous from this episode is the slipper slope that TSA is leading us down.

We have an obligation to carry this full-circle," Stover said. "It will be sometime next week before all the paperwork is processed to drop the case."
What an idiot.

Savvy Traveler Sep 17, 2004 2:42 pm

Lauren Stover and the un-American thugs she works for can take their newspeak and shove it up Admiral Stone's ....

I hope Ms. Harrington sues the hell out of TSA and the LEO and gets his badge.

Arthurrs Sep 17, 2004 2:42 pm

TSA better put weighted bookmarks on the list of banned items in your carryon! :rolleyes: Seems like this is a game that travellers can't win. So what will the next item be that might be considered a weapon by a screener that can't think for him/herself? :mad:

AArlington Sep 17, 2004 2:45 pm


Originally Posted by ender83
I hope Ms. Harrington sues the hell out of TSA and the LEO and gets his badge.

One can hope. But this was from that article:

"You can be sure that my bookmark will not be in my purse," she said. "That will not be in my purse ever again when I fly."
I don't see a suit happening here; but it should.

FWAAA Sep 17, 2004 3:07 pm


Originally Posted by ender83
Lauren Stover and the un-American thugs she works for can take their newspeak and shove it up Admiral Stone's ....

I hope Ms. Harrington sues the hell out of TSA and the LEO and gets his badge.

^^ My thoughts exactly. :)

I suspect, however, that immunity will protect all involved. :(

On a related note, I wonder what the screener will say tonight when (s)he sees the golf balls and crew socks in my carryon. Those, in combination, would make a much more effective weapon than the bookmark.

whirledtraveler Sep 17, 2004 3:10 pm


Originally Posted by RichMSN
Monogrammed, too. Amazing. When common sense takes a holiday, it really takes a holiday.

Welcome to the land of the free and the home of the brave.

AArlington Sep 17, 2004 3:13 pm


Originally Posted by whirledtraveler
Welcome to the land of the free and the home of the brave.

In fairness, this was Flori-duh! where this happened.

jg2411 Sep 17, 2004 3:23 pm

Bookmark? That's a green blackjack ... a monogrammed, double headed blackjack at that. :rolleyes:

What is used as training material .. watching reruns of The Untouchables? Eliot Ness, watch out. :eek:

I applaude & appreciate TSA's efforts to protect us, but Bart said it right -- they dropped the ball with Mrs. Harrington. Hopefully, this will serve as a learning tool and encourage all to apply common sense when confronted with similar situations.

FliesWay2Much Sep 17, 2004 3:40 pm

At the risk of sounding very ONMI-an, I offer the following sincerely non-partisan comment: One might think that a presidential candidate who desires to unseat the incumbent who created the governmental framework that created the framework in which the screeners and cops made the decisions they made might consider this lady and the incident as a poster-child campaign issue. I would think that this candidate might even parade her around with him, along with a few hundred guys named "David Nelson." :confused:

AArlington Sep 17, 2004 4:18 pm


Originally Posted by FliesWay2Much
At the risk of sounding very ONMI-an, I offer the following sincerely non-partisan comment: One might think that a presidential candidate who desires to unseat the incumbent who created the governmental framework that created the framework in which the screeners and cops made the decisions they made might consider this lady and the incident as a poster-child campaign issue. I would think that this candidate might even parade her around with him, along with a few hundred guys named "David Nelson." :confused:

Komrade Daschle gave us the TSA. He's not running for President.

CPH Sep 17, 2004 4:20 pm


Originally Posted by RichMSN
Monogrammed, too. Amazing. When common sense takes a holiday, it really takes a holiday.

Some times it has little to do with common sense and more with the personalities of the personnel involved. For example, the thug at Niagara - Robert Rhodes? - who attacked a Chinese tourist, and beat her badly, under the mistaken impression that she was involved with marijuana possession. Was Rhodes a customs agent or a TSA employee? The story I read named him as the latter but when did TSA employees have their powers extended to more than just checking baggage? I missed that if it ever happened.

AArlington Sep 17, 2004 4:51 pm


Originally Posted by CPH
Some times it has little to do with common sense and more with the personalities of the personnel involved. For example, the thug at Niagara - Robert Rhodes? - who attacked a Chinese tourist, and beat her badly, under the mistaken impression that she was involved with marijuana possession. Was Rhodes a customs agent or a TSA employee? The story I read named him as the latter but when did TSA employees have their powers extended to more than just checking baggage? I missed that if it ever happened.

He was Customs. BICE (Bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement) which does not equal NICE in this case.

The bookmark bust involved TSA; but TSA has no arrest power. They can only 'fine' people. The TSA idiot in this case called the local police.

*And my use of the term idiot is directed at this screener and not all screeners.

HeHateY Sep 17, 2004 5:33 pm

Comments on this case also here:

http://forums.fark.com/cgi/fark/comm...IDLink=1128600

"We can't tell you what law you broke, but you broke it and will be fined"

:rolleyes:

law dawg Sep 17, 2004 8:51 pm


Originally Posted by ender83
Lauren Stover and the un-American thugs she works for can take their newspeak and shove it up Admiral Stone's ....

I hope Ms. Harrington sues the hell out of TSA and the LEO and gets his badge.

Wow. Substantive.

Next you'll tell me I can shove it up my ..., I guess?


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