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KDHawaii777 Feb 21, 2004 1:08 am

This is silly!
 
http://www.usatoday.com/usatonline/2...0/5944418s.htm

I think TSA is bit too extreme...

Dovster Feb 21, 2004 1:36 am

The woman was fined $150 for having a cake serving knife with her.

Obviously, it was a knife meant to serve angel's food cake.

If it had been for devil's food cake, the TSA would have confiscated it and used it at its next convention.

whirledtraveler Feb 21, 2004 7:10 am


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by KDHawaii777:
http://www.usatoday.com/usatonline/2...0/5944418s.htm

I think TSA is bit too extreme...
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Harness your outrage and do something with it. Write your Congresscritter now.


bdschobel Feb 21, 2004 7:26 am

I just did. Good suggestion!

Bruce

urlbuster Feb 21, 2004 11:26 am


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by KDHawaii777:
http://www.usatoday.com/usatonline/2...0/5944418s.htm

I think TSA is bit too extreme...
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Perhaps folks will finally get the message and pay attention to what they pack. I know that if I was going to get popped for $150 to $10,000 I would be darn sure nothing prohibited was in my bag. Just my 2 cents worth.


bdschobel Feb 21, 2004 2:03 pm

And what gives the government the right to confiscate property (money, that is!) from people under these circumstances? Does anybody believe that this is reasonable? http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttr...m/rolleyes.gif

Bruce

ejward2000 Feb 21, 2004 2:33 pm

This fine policy by the TSA against innocent people is sheer lunacy.One wonders if this is an attempt to collect money to balance the budget! The woman in the story was not a frequent flier,was allowed to check her bag, and was still fined. Since the incident in OCT and receipt of her fine notice,she just received a new notice doubling her fine to $300. Add this to the latest TSA shoe fetish of x-raying all shoes with one inch thick heals(ALL FOOTWEAR)makes one want to shout from the rooftops:"Disband and go away".

HugeAss Feb 21, 2004 5:46 pm

Good-bye 14th ammendment and due process of law (see Section 1).


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by bdschobel:
And what gives the government the right to confiscate property (money, that is!) from people under these circumstances? Does anybody believe that this is reasonable? http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttr...m/rolleyes.gif

Bruce
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whatsinyourbag Feb 21, 2004 11:05 pm

It wouldn't matter who was doing the screening (private or TSA) the laws would be in place either way... a law is a law is a law....



<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by ejward2000:
This fine policy by the TSA against innocent people is sheer lunacy.One wonders if this is an attempt to collect money to balance the budget! The woman in the story was not a frequent flier,was allowed to check her bag, and was still fined. Since the incident in OCT and receipt of her fine notice,she just received a new notice doubling her fine to $300. Add this to the latest TSA shoe fetish of x-raying all shoes with one inch thick heals(ALL FOOTWEAR)makes one want to shout from the rooftops:"Disband and go away".</font>

whirledtraveler Feb 22, 2004 5:53 am


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by whatsinyourbag:
It wouldn't matter who was doing the screening (private or TSA) the laws would be in place either way... a law is a law is a law....</font>
But the fact is, there is no law. Tell me I'm wrong. I don't think there is any written law which empowers the TSA to fine the public, moreover there is no written law which specifically states what can and can't be taken on an airplane. Without those things, the TSA are nothing short of thugs, plain and simple. They are brothers of every third world policeman who shakes people down on the road.


Spiff Feb 22, 2004 7:03 am


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by whirledtraveler:
They are brothers of every third world policeman who shakes people down on the road.

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Agreed. And these people are being paid a decent wage. At least in third world countries, the policeman is expected to supplement his income with bribes and fines.

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TSAMGR Feb 22, 2004 9:00 am

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HugeAss Feb 23, 2004 12:32 pm

Man says his cat not a terrorist. TSA not amused.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2004Feb22.html

whirledtraveler Feb 23, 2004 12:40 pm


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by HugeAss:
Man says his cat not a terrorist. TSA not amused.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2004Feb22.html
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Can you paraphrase it? One of my New Year's resolutions to was only to reward sites that mind their own business.

HugeAss Feb 23, 2004 1:08 pm

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TSA Detention Is No Joke

By Al Kamen
Monday, February 23, 2004; Page A19

A couple of years ago, when famed D.C. lawyer and now Florida senatorial candidate Larry Klayman was running Judicial Watch, he was a principal author of a book, "Fatal Neglect: The U.S. Government's Continuing Failure to Protect American Citizens from Terrorists."


The Transportation Security Agency, responding to such criticism, greatly tightened airport security, even posting signs warning people at airports not even to joke about bombs. The TSA Web site also warns against talking about terrorism or explosives or weapons when going through security. "Don't joke about having a bomb or firearm. The mere mention of such words as 'gun' or 'bomb' . . . can compel security personnel to detain and question you. They are trained to consider these comments as real threats."

The Web site of Klayman, a candidate in the GOP primary, touted that "as a national opinion leader on security issues, Larry Klayman believes that our officials in Washington have not gone far enough to protect Americans from terrorism."

But how far does he want them to go? For example, Klayman was just about to go through the metal detector at National last fall en route to Fort Lauderdale, Fla., on United Flight 2899, when he announced that the package he was carrying (a little container for his cat) was not a bomb.

According to another waiting passenger nearby, Klayman told the screeners that the cat wasn't a terrorist and didn't have a bomb. With that, we're told, he was instantly taken out of line by the security people and put in handcuffs.

He was then apparently taken somewhere for questioning, where agents most likely didn't recognize him or realize that he was famous. He was eventually released, and he hopped a later flight.

"It wasn't a funny joke," Klayman said last week, rejecting our efforts to talk about the surgical removal of the agents' senses of humor. "I apologized for it. I support what the TSA is doing, and I should have been more sensitive. I was tired, and it was the end of the day."

Asked about the cuffs and the questioning, Klayman declined to go into detail, though he confirmed he had to take a later flight to Fort Lauderdale.

Well, beats Guantanamo.

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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by whirledtraveler:

Can you paraphrase it? One of my New Year's resolutions to was only to reward sites that mind their own business.
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