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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by SkiAdcock: Oh good, we're back to the topic thread ...</font> Asked, answered, discussed, digressed. Moved to the Travel Security Forum. Please continue to follow it there. Chuck aka cblaisd Moderator, United |
Once a person arrives at a security checkpoint, they have consented (implied consent) to having their personal items as well as themselves searched and yes even without a warrant.
And if one has nothing to hide... they shouldn't have any problem with any of the processes like spiff does... <font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by jetsetter: Spif, What I was thinking, and again this may have wound down as of now, is that say you did the refundable ticket bp. Say you presented your real bp with SSS, but it did not have initials, stamp, or whatever on it. Airline agent gets paranoid, calls the police, and the police bring you back to the security checkpoint and ask if any of the screeners recognize you. Then what if they search your bag (can they sarch your person w/out a warrant?) and find you have these two boarding passes. The authorities might be suspicious that you are trying to evade security checks by getting this second boarding pass without the SSS. Maybe they would let you go, or again maybe in this paranoid way they do things now, they would take you in for questioning. There have been a lot of people detained by Ashcroft's justice department for less things than trying to get two boarding passes to avoid extra security screening. Just imagine the paranoia if they found you with two boarding passes for two unrelated flights. Is this scenario ever likely to happen? No, in all likelyhood they will assume you got screened properly at the checkpoint. The airline or the authorities will probably never even figure out that you got two boarding passes for different flights to avoid the extra SSS prompted screening. But if in the remote chance they did find out, it would be very suspicious that you went through all sorts of trouble to avoid the extra screening. Think like a cop, they have to wonder, what the h**k is this person trying to hide from us not accepting the SSS screening, and why would he go to such trouble to avoid it. Surely because there is criminal activity of some sort. It is like if you ran the other way when you saw a cop, they would get suspicious no matter if you were doing anything wrong or not because the action seems suspicious. Again I am not saying this will happen, but if it did, I could see them taking someone in for hours of questioning.</font> |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by whatsinyourbag: Once a person arrives at a security checkpoint, they have consented (implied consent) to having their personal items as well as themselves searched and yes even without a warrant.</font> The truth is, implied consent isn't something you can make up as tempting as it is. It happens in the context of written law, like implied consent for DUI testing. If you look around you'll find that there is law behind that. It isn't just something that someone decided to throw around in a discussion forum. Aside from that, you are just factually wrong. I can show up at a security check point and then decide not to be searched and then go home. So much for implied consent. [This message has been edited by whirledtraveler (edited Feb 12, 2004).] |
Spiff, thanks for the information. It has been sent to TSA Headquarters.
The agent at the gate is suppose to check the BP and if the BP has SSSS but isn't stamped or punched the agent needs to call for a TSA team to come to the gate. There was a thread before which had the suggestion to find out what the stamp/punch was and do it yourself. A word of caution this is interfering with the screening process and is a federal crime. |
What's to keep me from keeping editable PDF copies (on my computer) from every time I've successfully checked-in online?
Then if I get an error if I try OCI, simply edit an old boarding pass for that specific airline, changing dates, times, and flights. Check-in at the airport, get the SSSS'd boarding pass, and show the one I printed at home (the "fake" one) to get through security with SSSS? It just goes to show how STUPID the system is when stuff like that works. I haven't had the chance to try it yet, but I still make a PDF copy of every BP I generate so that if such a situation arises, I can screw the system that tried to screw me. |
What's to keep you from scanning money and try using that to buy the ticket? It's a crime, thats why.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by TSAMGR: What's to keep you from scanning money and try using that to buy the ticket? It's a crime, thats why.</font> |
I believe you are wrong...
If you show up at the checkpoint and cross over into the sterile area and refuse to be screened, you will be detained to talk to a police officer... If you are not smart enough to stay and leave the sterile area, you will be apprehended by airport police within seconds on your way out! You will be questioned as to why you refuse to be screened and what your intentions are... and probably prosecuted for interfering with a federal checkpoint... That is fact! <font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by whirledtraveler: You realize of course that by posting on FT you have consented to wipe my nose whenever I decide to request it. Oh, you didn't know that? Too bad. The truth is, implied consent isn't something you can make up as tempting as it is. It happens in the context of written law, like implied consent for DUI testing. If you look around you'll find that there is law behind that. It isn't just something that someone decided to throw around in a discussion forum. Aside from that, you are just factually wrong. I can show up at a security check point and then decide not to be searched and then go home. So much for implied consent. [This message has been edited by whirledtraveler (edited Feb 12, 2004).]</font> |
I've seen two passengers who refused screening in the checkpoint. They had to talk to a officer on why they didn't want to be involved in the screening and at that point the officer let them go.
I won't discuss why they didn't want to be screened as both reasons were deeply private and I completely understood why they refused. Thats why I get upset with some of these policies everyday, because the people that make them don't seem to understand that it directly effects the public, which in turn effects us. |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by whatsinyourbag: I believe you are wrong... If you show up at the checkpoint and cross over into the sterile area and refuse to be screened, you will be detained to talk to a police officer... If you are not smart enough to stay and leave the sterile area, you will be apprehended by airport police within seconds on your way out! You will be questioned as to why you refuse to be screened and what your intentions are... and probably prosecuted for interfering with a federal checkpoint... That is fact! </font> |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by TSAMGR: There was a thread before which had the suggestion to find out what the stamp/punch was and do it yourself. A word of caution this is interfering with the screening process and is a federal crime.</font> "Ooooooh, I'm sooooo scared!!!" - Video Pirates, Amazon Women on the Moon As long as the TSA continues to harass people with this SSSS nonsense or similar un-American practices, I will continue to find, publish, and encourage the use of ways to beat the harassment process. ------------------ "Give me Liberty or give me Death." - Patrick Henry |
Hope you get caught doing so.... Lets see you whine your self out of that one...
Again, if you don't like the procedures, then DON'T FLY!!! <font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Spiff: So is copying copyrighted cable or satellite broadcasts to tape or DVD. "Ooooooh, I'm sooooo scared!!!" - Video Pirates, Amazon Women on the Moon As long as the TSA continues to harass people with this SSSS nonsense or similar un-American practices, I will continue to find, publish, and encourage the use of ways to beat the harassment process. </font> |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by whatsinyourbag: Hope you get caught doing so.... Lets see you whine your self out of that one... Again, if you don't like the procedures, then DON'T FLY!!! </font> |
re: this is a federal crime.
Does anyone think a terrorist is worried about violating a federal rule? Duh! He is about to take over a plane, violating another silly rule is not a concern. It is about as stupid as the guy on the Maine border that went around an unmanned border crossing. Since it is such a small town, they recognized him on video and fined him $10,000. Some of the posters here would say that is okay. We cann't have people going across the border like that. BUT - what if it was a terrorist? Do you think he would stop and wait for the border to open? Duh! |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by NoStressHere: re: this is a federal crime. Does anyone think a terrorist is worried about violating a federal rule? Duh! He is about to take over a plane, violating another silly rule is not a concern. </font> |
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