So is copying copyrighted cable or satellite broadcasts to tape or DVD.

"Ooooooh, I'm sooooo scared!!!" - Video Pirates, Amazon Women on the Moon

As long as the TSA continues to harass people with this SSSS nonsense or similar un-American practices, I will continue to find, publish, and encourage the use of ways to beat the harassment process.

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"Give me Liberty or give me Death." - Patrick Henry

Hope you get caught doing so.... Lets see you whine your self out of that one...

Again, if you don't like the procedures, then DON'T FLY!!!

Wrong country. If you don't like the procedures, change them.

re: this is a federal crime.

Does anyone think a terrorist is worried about violating a federal rule? Duh! He is about to take over a plane, violating another silly rule is not a concern.

It is about as stupid as the guy on the Maine border that went around an unmanned border crossing. Since it is such a small town, they recognized him on video and fined him $10,000. Some of the posters here would say that is okay. We cann't have people going across the border like that.

BUT - what if it was a terrorist? Do you think he would stop and wait for the border to open? Duh!

And, no one has been able to point to any such law.

I have been moving so most of my computer are off line. I will get you the regulations/laws when everything is up.

re: punching holes against the law.

If you believe that the SSSS and hole punching is meant to stop the bad guys, then...

Should we then worry about good guys punching holes in their BP or the bad guy who is about to break all kinds of laws by taking over an airplane?

Taking all the good guys to jail because they punched holes in their BP is pretty stupid. In case you have not figured it out by now, those that want to take over an airplane only care of the rules that allow them to get on the plane. They surely would not worry about punching holes in a BP and getting caught. In fact, I would suspect any terrorist (I said the word) worth his holy grail would avoid even going on that flight with a SSSS, and if he did it would only be after he knew he had a fool proof ID (probably fake), no pointy objects to set off the scanner, etc.

THINK IT THROUGH PEOPLE. THINK!

easy process to rid yourself of the SSSS. I can neither confirm nor deny that I, or anyone I know ever tried this http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttr...orum/smile.gif

if you can check in online, and you get the security code (it might not be SSSS, just look for something that is obviously different on one BP and not the other(s)), just take some white-out, very carefully remove the offending code, make a neat photocopy and you are done...if the BP has a bar code, the SSSS might be encoded there (it is for sure on NW), so just rip off a piece of the BP where the bar code is so it has to be manually entered when you board.

voila...problem solved http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttr...orum/smile.gif

Again, if you don't like the complaints or being shown how easily your worthless security procedures are defeated, GET A NEW JOB!!! http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttr...um/biggrin.gif

It seems all you do here is tell people to suck it up and comply. And all we do is tell you "tough luck". Fun, isn't it? http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttravel_forum/wink.gif



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"Give me Liberty or give me Death." - Patrick Henry

The TSA has no powers of detention. (Thank God) On either side of the checkpoint. If someone leaves before you can get a law enforcement officer there, then it's tough cookies.

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"Give me Liberty or give me Death." - Patrick Henry

Better than you telling them to not comply...


Fun isn't it!!!

Didn't say we did... and if you are a SELECTEE then we already have your boarding pass...

As far as getting a LEO there fast, you obviously don't know how fast we can get one, and remember you are on camera anywhere you go, and well any IDIOT can figure out that they can find you!

And when you are found, well you will probably be coded higher on the problem and/or DON'T FLY list!

Swallow that Spiff!

Stop.. you're scaring me.

(I'm laughing so hard I think I may not be able to breathe.)

It's responses like these that underscore what a joke your agency is. Conversing with you is akin to trying to talk to Deputy Barney Fife from Mayberry.

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"Give me Liberty or give me Death." - Patrick Henry

Sounded like I gave a very responsible reply, you are the one to be laughed at, trying to find a way around the system...

Get real, and quit trying to undermind and find fault in the SYSTEM! Bite your tounge and be a BIG boy...

We at TSA laugh at people like you (bet you didn't know that though...)

If people didn't look for faults in the system, it would never improve. I know this is a challenging concept for people who don't like their authority challenged, but it's a fact.

Laugh away. I couldn't care less. http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttr...orum/smile.gif

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"Give me Liberty or give me Death." - Patrick Henry

You think you laugh. I know what I would have to be paid to wear one of your dorky uniforms and sift through underwear and I'm pretty sure you aren't getting it. http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttr...orum/smile.gif

Obviously you aren't getting it...

At $38,000 + a year (without overtime), I can watch my people go thru bags all day...

Whatever...

I don't know how to respond to that without being cruel, so I'll leave it alone.

Best of luck to you.

Appreciated... Finally a respectful answer...

Thanks...

He/she is either a lead or Supervisor, we don't make anywhere near that amount as a screener. Or B, he/she doesn't work for TSA period.

We at TSA, nothing. You don't speak for everyone of us. A lot of what is said on here does have a ring of truth, take off the blinders and you might be able to see that.

That right there was a good point made by Spiff and all you could say was whatever.

That's interesting... How many times now have passengers passed the screening checkpoint when a screener suddenly realized some contraband on the X-Ray screen? The airport gets shut down, but the passenger is never found or even identified? Good thing they have those cameras!! http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttravel_forum/wink.gif



[This message has been edited by SNA_Flyer (edited Feb 19, 2004).]

<Spiff is my new best friend>

Edited to add:
Trolls like whatsinyourbag seems to exemplify everything that we're finding to be wrong with the TSA, while those like screenerx understands that the FACT that the system employed by the USA is far from perfect, and that the decision by the Clinton administration to never use racial or religious factors in airport security was an enormous mistake (i.e. random screening does not serve any useful purpose).


[This message has been edited by sowalsky (edited Feb 19, 2004).]

How much do you want to be that when a pax complains something was stolen from their carry-on by TSA, the film from the cameras is never used to solve the case? How much do you want to bet that all these cases where emotions get high between a pax and a screener and the pax gets arrested that the pax isn't granted access to the film to prove that the screener was out of line? And although TSA films the whole thing, what do you think would happen if a pax used their own camera to film their own screening process?

I once had an LAX T7 screener take personal offense that I wouldn't let my bag out of my sight. He accused me of calling him a thief and said, "We're all federal workers here," and "There are cameras everywhere." (while waiving his hand at the ceiling). He didn't seem to like my answer that if my stuff went missing, his cameras weren't going to help me get it back in time to make my flight and get home that evening.



[This message has been edited by studentff (edited Feb 19, 2004).]

You should've told the sad sack that if he could treat you like a terrorist, you have every right to treat him like a thief.

Quote:
"You should've told the sad sack that if he could treat you like a terrorist, you have every right to treat him like a thief."

Yeah but unfortunately if you pissed him off they would probably detain you for using the word "Terrorist"!

First, this was not a Clinton Administration decision.

Second, why limit the use of racial or religious factors to airport security? Let's say that we should audit European Americans at 10 times the rate of African Americans. After all, it would net bigger and more "threatening" tax cheats.

Why not set up check-points to screen Christian males whenever there is an incident of a woman being abused or assaulted? After all, Christian males are the majority of violent offenders in America.

The list goes on an on.

[By the way, I believe the only useful security for airports is comprehensive explosives screening, unidentifiable armed skymarshalls -- unknown to even the crew -- and validation that no harmful (chemical or otherwise) agents or automatic weapons get on board.]