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amejr999 Nov 14, 2011 10:39 am

EU sets limits on body scanners
 
This should force the UK to make them optional, at a minimum.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45286987.../#.TsFRWFb4KUs

Wally Bird Nov 14, 2011 11:21 am

One hopes so, but I imagine the DfT will balk, delay and argue. Don't expect any changes soon :( .


passengers must be informed and be given the right to choose an alternative method of screening.
I suppose a real strip search could be the only offered alternative. Doesn't say 'acceptable'.

Maluku_Flyer Nov 14, 2011 1:49 pm

HAM ran a trial on scanners until not too long ago. As far as I know it was discontinued because of too many false positives. The test involved a different technology than what is used at US airports I think.

RadioGirl Nov 14, 2011 4:32 pm


Originally Posted by Maluku_Flyer (Post 17448970)
HAM ran a trial on scanners until not too long ago. As far as I know it was discontinued because of too many false positives. The test involved a different technology than what is used at US airports I think.

There have been several threads here, often started by exbayern quoting German news sources. There were false positives caused by pleats, zippers, sweat stains and posture. According to one report, most passengers either needed a second scan or a patdown, or both.

The technology tested and rejected by Germany was the millimetre wave (MMW = radio) technology, exactly as used in many US airports. The US also uses backscatter (= x-ray = ionizing radiation) scanners.

Maluku_Flyer Nov 14, 2011 4:47 pm


Originally Posted by RadioGirl (Post 17450103)
There have been several threads here, often started by exbayern quoting German news sources. There were false positives caused by pleats, zippers, sweat stains and posture. According to one report, most passengers either needed a second scan or a patdown, or both.

The technology tested and rejected by Germany was the millimetre wave (MMW = radio) technology, exactly as used in many US airports. The US also uses backscatter (= x-ray = ionizing radiation) scanners.

Thanks for the info. I'll try to locate those threads. I'm only in HAM a few times a year and my current home airport doesn't have any scanners.

msimons Nov 14, 2011 10:25 pm

Went thru Brussels couple days ago, and will be happy to go back.
Keep your shoes on, and only metal detectors around.

Keep it up.

cbn42 Nov 15, 2011 1:20 am

Finally some good news on this thread. Too bad it's from another continent.

angatol Nov 15, 2011 1:39 am

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Wollstonecraft Nov 15, 2011 2:39 am

This is a cross post from the other part of the forum - this is so confusing - but EU has not really set limits, they have put some guidelines in places so that more body scanners can be deployed all over Europe. Currently, in most European airports, there are none, just WTMD.

Wall Street Journal: EU's Airports to Use Full-Body Scans

from the WSJ article:

"The new legislation legally allows member states and airports to replace current security systems with security scanners," the commission said.
from the AP article:


The European Union adopted new guidelines Monday on using body scanners at airports, hoping to address the privacy concerns that have delayed their implementation across the continent.
The only good thing about this is that they are apparently limiting it to MMW:


And in order not to risk citizens' health and safety, only security scanners that do not use X-ray technology can be used at EU airports.
I guess it depends on your point of view. I like the current system with WTMD much better, thank you.

angatol Nov 15, 2011 3:52 am

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Wollstonecraft Nov 15, 2011 9:55 am


Originally Posted by angatol (Post 17452542)
It also says this: "Travelers will also be able to refuse to go through full-body scanners and select another search method, the commission said."

Which I think is important to many people

It is important to me, too, but for most of Europe, which currently has just WTMD, this is one step forward, two steps back. It is nice that the EU Commission is looking out for everyone, but they are going to make security WORSE than it currently is in most places outside of the UK. I see nothing to be happy about, and I think the EU Commission is just capitulating to the Americans.

At least Germany is exercising some rational thinking and not implementing them at all.

eturowski Nov 15, 2011 3:34 pm

Consumerist ran a short article on this today - and they included a direct link to the "Complete List of Airports with Whole Body Imaging/Advanced Imaging Technology Scanner" thread. ^


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