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OldGoat Apr 14, 2011 5:36 pm

Striking Gender Differences in BKSX Screening
 
Today I arrived early for a flight from SAT and thought that I'd spend some time observing the checkpoint. SAT had four security lines open, two WTMD, and two BKSX.

The backscatter lines were the most interesting because of the differences between the male and female experiences. I observed a few dozen screenings of each gender. The differences were striking.

No males received a full secondary screening. Two females got the full secondary -- hair, breasts, groin, legs, etc.

Only a few males had one part of their body screened by a TSO after the backscatter. Every single female had her hair touched by the female TSO's gloved hand, and only two females did not also have at least one other part of their body inspected. The most popular areas for inspection were wrists (jewelry), breasts, and waistbands.

The female TSO did not change her gloves the entire time I was observing her. The gloves that were dragged over clothes and put down waistbands were the same ones that subsequently touched skin and hair. Of course, no new gloves were at the location where the touching was taking place. New gloves were only located where the full secondaries took place.

In short, the usual case for males had them walking into the machine, assuming the surrender pose, walking out, standing a moment, and going on their merry way, irradiated, dumb, and happy.

The usual case for women was irradiation with increased invasiveness with delay, and touching with dirty gloves.

doober Apr 14, 2011 6:43 pm

Hopefully, no one should be surprised at this. Women are targeted by the TSA. Full stop.

TheGolfWidow Apr 14, 2011 6:56 pm

Reason 8,437 that a TSA screening is not "just like at the doctor!" = dirty gloves.

MG2779 Apr 14, 2011 7:19 pm

I assume this was at terminal A which houses most of the airlines?

doober Apr 14, 2011 7:24 pm


The female TSO did not change her gloves the entire time I was observing her. The gloves that were dragged over clothes and put down waistbands were the same ones that subsequently touched skin and hair.
Admirable training by someone we know at SAT.

exbayern Apr 14, 2011 7:43 pm


Originally Posted by doober (Post 16220629)
Hopefully, no one should be surprised at this. Women are targeted by the TSA. Full stop.

I'm not surprised. I had some ugly SAT experiences last year, starting with being ordered to remove my lightweight top even though I was only wearing a bra underneath. (I didn't comply)

OP, did you happen to notice if there were any glass holding pens at SAT?

OldGoat Apr 14, 2011 8:52 pm

I did not see any glass holding pens. Additionally, self-directed opt-out was easy. Women walking through the WTMD were not touched.

MikeMpls Apr 14, 2011 10:12 pm


Originally Posted by OldGoat (Post 16220350)
The female TSO did not change her gloves the entire time I was observing her. The gloves that were dragged over clothes and put down waistbands were the same ones that subsequently touched skin and hair. Of course, no new gloves were at the location where the touching was taking place. New gloves were only located where the full secondaries took place

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That is completely disgusting. I'll put it bluntly: Most people wipe their butts right up to where their waistbands will be. When are the responsible (?) health authorities going to wake up & address this?


Originally Posted by doober (Post 16220806)
Admirable training by someone we know at SAT.

Say what, pumpkin? :D

FriendlySkies Apr 14, 2011 10:44 pm

I'm sure there will be some excuse from SAT.. :rolleyes:


As far as the glove changing, I found that to be very disgusting. In addition to bathroom visits, a person may have lice. Suppose the lice spread to the gloves, and are then transmitted on to the next person... :eek: :vomit:

Combat Medic Apr 14, 2011 11:09 pm


Originally Posted by exbayern (Post 16220892)
I'm not surprised. I had some ugly SAT experiences last year, starting with being ordered to remove my lightweight top even though I was only wearing a bra underneath. (I didn't comply)

OP, did you happen to notice if there were any glass holding pens at SAT?

Terminal A doesn't have the fish bowl things, but it does have a room maybe eight by eight that is completely done in frosted glass that I think is where they do their more intimate groping.

BubbaLoop Apr 15, 2011 4:27 am

Based on this observation and many others, I can comfortably state that the TSA has killed more people by transmitting disease than prevented terrorist deaths. They are a public heath hazard which costs millions!

doober Apr 15, 2011 5:26 am


Originally Posted by MikeMpls (Post 16221496)
.

Say what, pumpkin? :D

I prefer "cupcake." :D

chollie Apr 15, 2011 5:34 am


Originally Posted by OldGoat (Post 16220350)
Today I arrived early for a flight from SAT and thought that I'd spend some time observing the checkpoint. SAT had four security lines open, two WTMD, and two BKSX.

The backscatter lines were the most interesting because of the differences between the male and female experiences. I observed a few dozen screenings of each gender. The differences were striking.

No males received a full secondary screening. Two females got the full secondary -- hair, breasts, groin, legs, etc.

Only a few males had one part of their body screened by a TSO after the backscatter. Every single female had her hair touched by the female TSO's gloved hand, and only two females did not also have at least one other part of their body inspected. The most popular areas for inspection were wrists (jewelry), breasts, and waistbands.

The female TSO did not change her gloves the entire time I was observing her. The gloves that were dragged over clothes and put down waistbands were the same ones that subsequently touched skin and hair. Of course, no new gloves were at the location where the touching was taking place. New gloves were only located where the full secondaries took place.

In short, the usual case for males had them walking into the machine, assuming the surrender pose, walking out, standing a moment, and going on their merry way, irradiated, dumb, and happy.

The usual case for women was irradiation with increased invasiveness with delay, and touching with dirty gloves.

This is great! In the absence of TSA-supplied statistics, it is good to get some observations that confirm what I think some of us have already suspected: women, elderly and perhaps children are getting 'selected' in disproportionate numbers for the NoS and at least at some checkpoints, men are more likely to get away with a cursory grope than women are.

Interesting, too, because there have been reports of a shortage of women friskers - so much so, that TSA is now pulling women off baggage duty (and coincidentally, away from a potential avenue for job advancement). Maybe the answer to the 'shortage' of female friskers is to select an equal number of males for the NoS in the first place.

Why doesn't TSA submit 'helpful hints' to explain what women do differently from men that somehow results in more of them being intimately frisked?

Cartoon Peril Apr 15, 2011 5:43 am

Problem is the dictatorship breaks down on the personal level
 

Originally Posted by chollie (Post 16222599)
This is great! In the absence of TSA-supplied statistics, it is good to get some observations that confirm what I think some of us have already suspected: women, elderly and perhaps children are getting 'selected' in disproportionate numbers for the NoS and at least at some checkpoints, men are more likely to get away with a cursory grope than women are.

I think it's harder to find male TSA who are willing to grope men, not because the male TSA have any more morals than the female TSA, but because of the "will I turn gay" irrational fear factor.

chollie Apr 15, 2011 6:44 am


Originally Posted by Cartoon Peril (Post 16222621)
I think it's harder to find male TSA who are willing to grope men, not because the male TSA have any more morals than the female TSA, but because of the "will I turn gay" irrational fear factor.

I agree. I think male TSOs are more averse to same-sex gropes than female TSOs are, and I think a predominantly male command structure just exacerbates the situation.

Furthermore, a lot of men seem to enjoy 'woman on woman action'. There's a great youtube clip of Jennifer Lopez getting the grope. Standing within arms' length of her while she is getting groped are two overweight male slob TSOs watching. I don't know why the female groper didn't stop what she was doing, confront them and ask them if they had nothing better to do. I just don't think we're quite as likely to see two women TSOs standing around watching a male TSO frisk a male passenger.

We see increased attention to women justified by references to Chechen women bombers, but we don't see a corresponding attention to the male package because of the underpants bomber.

What's particularly unsettling about the clearly non-ramdom processes going on here is that there is no guarantee that a pax will get a same-gender frisker. And that applies to all ages, children as well!
How long before a checkpoint starts seeing disproportionate numbers of children/preteens who need further investigation?


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