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Cartoon Peril Apr 15, 2011 8:04 am

Even TSA dares not have male TSA "pat down" girls
 

Originally Posted by chollie (Post 16222833)
What's particularly unsettling about the clearly non-ramdom processes going on here is that there is no guarantee that a pax will get a same-gender frisker. And that applies to all ages, children as well!
How long before a checkpoint starts seeing disproportionate numbers of children/preteens who need further investigation?

I just cannot imagine we could ever see a 45 year old male TSA laying hands on the body of a 14 y/o female passenger.

Of course, I couldn't imagine that a 45 y/o male government employee would spend all day long doing virtual strip searches of men, women, and children of all ages.

Nor could I imagine a world where TSA are congratulated by their agency chief for putting their hands down the pants of small children.

Oh, and I agree on the men watching the women searched, there is definitely a sexual component to this.

nachtnebel Apr 15, 2011 8:52 am


Originally Posted by chollie (Post 16222833)
I agree. I think male TSOs are more averse to same-sex gropes than female TSOs are, and I think a predominantly male command structure just exacerbates the situation.

Furthermore, a lot of men seem to enjoy 'woman on woman action'. There's a great youtube clip of Jennifer Lopez getting the grope. Standing within arms' length of her while she is getting groped are two overweight male slob TSOs watching. I don't know why the female groper didn't stop what she was doing, confront them and ask them if they had nothing better to do. I just don't think we're quite as likely to see two women TSOs standing around watching a male TSO frisk a male passenger.

We see increased attention to women justified by references to Chechen women bombers, but we don't see a corresponding attention to the male package because of the underpants bomber.

What's particularly unsettling about the clearly non-ramdom processes going on here is that there is no guarantee that a pax will get a same-gender frisker. And that applies to all ages, children as well!
How long before a checkpoint starts seeing disproportionate numbers of children/preteens who need further investigation?

Of course men are interested in looking at women getting frisked in this manner. That is the way men are. They are visual, and when it comes to anything related to women, they are very visual. It is not great, but it just the reality. And for that reason, these goons should be forbidden to hang around watching the gropes while on their shift. To say there is no sexual element in this is false simply on the grounds of predictable human nature.

OldGoat Apr 15, 2011 10:51 am

This discussion of a sexual element brings another thought to mind: the full gropes I saw were all of women I thought were attractive. Although no make TSOs gathered around to watch (kudos to them), some male passengers did stop and stare. One of the women was noticeably embarrassed, another shot the onlookers a defiant look. But all the secondary gropees chose the NoS over the WTMD...maybe next time they won't.

edscholl Apr 15, 2011 12:17 pm


Originally Posted by MikeMpls (Post 16221496)
.I'll put it bluntly: Most people wipe their butts right up to where their waistbands will be.

um, your mama taught you wrong...


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