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N830MH Mar 30, 2011 11:30 pm


Originally Posted by EXLEFTSEAT (Post 16132473)
Thanks for bringing it down to the basics, What does TSA have to do with feeling up a cancer ridden, 89 year old woman? I hate to think of it, but what satisfaction does it bring to a screener? How much brain does one need to have to figure out, that this cancer ridden great-grandmother being 89 years old with the desire to return home to a earthquake damaged country, is of no threat to anyone????
Why can't they figure out that I, a 70 year old retired pilot with a cane, a 1k with UA for many years, is no threat? Why are the singling us out all of the time????? What's their problem???

Actually, the body scanners is too extremely dangerous out there and does not good for own health risks. Because this is not real safe for your great-grandmother. You have to tell TSO to go through the metal detector and she couln't walks very well. She can't go through the body scanners. Yes, there is a threats from the backscatter machines. You have to avoidable the bodyscanners and next time if you go to terminals 3 is much safer and there is no bodyscanners at all.

You have to tell TSA to kept her privacy and not put her into the bodyscanners. You have keep aware of your grandmother is doing and she's still in wheelchair and she need assistance with another TSA officer to put in the secondary screening areas and not go through bodyscanners. You are responsible for your great-grandmother's life. You are risks from TSA behaviors at entire T2 today. You have to keep avoided T2 checkpoint. Just go through terminal 4 at checkpoint A and there is no bodyscanners. If you are flying out at entire T4 for next time. Because T2 is not real specific time at all.

LuvAirFrance Mar 31, 2011 3:27 am

I'm speculating, but I think some of those TSO's have a chip on their shoulder, and they take revenge on the world which they think has crapped on them. Trouble is, that type of person never picks on someone who can defend him/herself. The are pussies, so they try to make people miserable who've not got a great shake from life.

Caradoc Mar 31, 2011 7:05 am


Originally Posted by LuvAirFrance (Post 16133279)
I'm speculating, but I think some of those TSO's have a chip on their shoulder, and they take revenge on the world which they think has crapped on them.

Yes.

But at this particular moment in time, I cannot help but think that anyone working for the TSA deserves to be crapped on...

Wilbur Mar 31, 2011 8:07 am

Don't forget to let Senator John McCain know as well.

senator at mccain.senate.gov

n4zhg Mar 31, 2011 1:43 pm

Who knew fascism was a career with growth potential?

WindOfFreedom Mar 31, 2011 2:18 pm


Originally Posted by EXLEFTSEAT (Post 16132473)
Thanks for bringing it down to the basics, What does TSA have to do with feeling up a cancer ridden, 89 year old woman? I hate to think of it, but what satisfaction does it bring to a screener? How much brain does one need to have to figure out, that this cancer ridden great-grandmother being 89 years old with the desire to return home to a earthquake damaged country, is of no threat to anyone????
Why can't they figure out that I, a 70 year old retired pilot with a cane, a 1k with UA for many years, is no threat? Why are the singling us out all of the time????? What's their problem???

They do it because they can. And as long as they can, they will.
Look for the rot at the top.

WindOfFreedom Mar 31, 2011 2:22 pm


Originally Posted by EXLEFTSEAT (Post 16132382)
That was in 1953, you think any American remembers that? They don't remember the Vietnam War, they remember : ZILCH!
Remember, we are FT, a premier minority. That's all we are.

My elder stepson, a chief mate with a large commercial shipping line, had never heard of Dunkirk. Neither had his son, a junior in high school.

Dunkirk.

It makes one weep.

Ayn R Key Mar 31, 2011 2:45 pm

Ok ok ok, enough.

I read the first post, and most of the rest of the thread. And I thought about all the other horror stories that I've read here. And I see two trends.

The first trend is their tendency to pick women who are traveling alone, small of build if possible.

The second trend is that EVERY F***ING TIME they ensure that they are out of contact and out of sight with the belongings on the X-Ray belt.

For crying out loud, why does that second trend exist? Is it that hard to allow them to pick up the tray and carry it into the grape room? Is it that hard to set aside their tray on the conveyor when sentencing these women to molestation?

Or do they need all those passengers walking by the unattended items as cover for TSOs filching from the bins?

What possible reason is there for not securing the belongings of these victims / travelers / potential terrorists?

Caradoc Mar 31, 2011 3:32 pm


Originally Posted by Ayn R Key (Post 16136842)
What possible reason is there for not securing the belongings of these victims / travelers / potential terrorists?

"Plausible deniability."

FliesWay2Much Mar 31, 2011 3:37 pm


Originally Posted by n4zhg (Post 16136392)
Who knew fascism was a career with growth potential?

Here are a couple of things I picked up from the article:


almost every one of the 24 security managers — who oversee the terminals and make between $56,000 and $110,000 a year — started off as an officer looking through bags and frisking passengers — a $32,000-a-year job that doesn’t require a college degree or security background.
"frisking passengers" -- at least they are honest...


It didn’t take long before Callahan moved from searching passengers and screening bags in a TSA-issued uniform — sometimes volunteering to come in at 1:30 a.m. to start up the equipment — to wearing a suit and overseeing an entire terminal as a screening manager. After a stint with Logan’s behavior detection pilot program and a transfer to Arlington, Va., to execute the program nationwide, Callahan moved back to Boston in 2008 to become the number two TSA employee at Logan, making almost $100,000 more a year than when she started six years before.
Coming in at 0130 leaving a young son at home -- her prioities are sure in the right place.

She volunteered to be a SPOTNik -- that got her a promotion in the field.

The big deal was that she landed a HQ job in the SPOTNik program. Civil service grades inside the Beltway are generally inflated compared to the real world. It's a common thing to get an assignment to DC just to get a promotion or two -- not because you're good, but because everyone else is a GS-13 - GS-15. My guess is that she arrived as a GS-12 or 13 and left as a GS-14 or GS-15.

So, she got her GS-15 by basically having a pulse and being above room temperature at TSA HQ.

RVP Mar 31, 2011 4:46 pm

EXLEFTSEAT, I'm sorry this happened to your wife and MIL. :mad:

You got a lot of good advice and contact information, and I hope you follow through and keep us informed.

This makes me sick.

fs2k2isfun Mar 31, 2011 6:46 pm

Though it doesn't do you any good, I too flew through PHX yesterday. I could not believe the chaos and long lines at the checkpoints. Fortunately, I was only connecting and had a very civil, yet absurd self-opt-out and medical liquids exemption in SEA.

My few minutes of watching screening at PHX confirms your description of everyone getting the NOS, long lines, and lots of yelling.

N830MH Mar 31, 2011 8:28 pm


Originally Posted by fs2k2isfun (Post 16138295)
My few minutes of watching screening at PHX confirms your description of everyone getting the NOS, long lines, and lots of yelling.

I can't stand it!!! I don't likes TSA behaviors who already went through bodyscanners. This is insane!!! Enough is enough!! :mad::mad::td::td: Lets it go already!!! NO one who went through backscatters machines. This is not real specific time at all. You have to get file complaints against TSA at Sky Harbor and they will be prohibited all backscatters machines out of checkpoints. Those passengers who had it right go through the metal detector is more conveniently and not try to put the passengers into the bodyscanners.

Eliminated all bodyscanners now!!!

Exleftseat Mar 31, 2011 10:51 pm

Mrs EX is home now and we are re-connected. I have told her many times to go the "opt out" route, but when she is without me, as every Japanese does, she follows instructions by ( so called ) authority. And she says, if she says "opt out" people behind her might get inconvenienced.
Fact is that every time she goes through the scanning machine she gets an additional pat down, although she wears a work-out/gym type suit and has absolutely nothing, not even a wedding ring on her.
I have promised her that from now on she will never ever fly alone from the U.S. anywhere, it's just that disgusting. At this point she does not want to go back, but we have no choice. We have one more flight back tomorrow and I cannot be with her. Let's cross our fingers.

NotaCriminal Apr 1, 2011 4:15 am


Originally Posted by EXLEFTSEAT (Post 16139266)
Mrs EX is home now and we are re-connected. I have told her many times to go the "opt out" route, but when she is without me, as every Japanese does, she follows instructions by ( so called ) authority. And she says, if she says "opt out" people behind her might get inconvenienced.
Fact is that every time she goes through the scanning machine she gets an additional pat down, although she wears a work-out/gym type suit and has absolutely nothing, not even a wedding ring on her.
I have promised her that from now on she will never ever fly alone from the U.S. anywhere, it's just that disgusting. At this point she does not want to go back, but we have no choice. We have one more flight back tomorrow and I cannot be with her. Let's cross our fingers.

Can you get a gate-pass from the airline (based on your MIL's illness) and escort your wife and MIL to their gate and head off some of the TSA abuses?


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